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Episode 5 · 1 year ago

Unwatched Gems or Carefully Avoided Trash

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

What is the main reason you would not watch a film?

Are there any films you actively avoid?

Are there any films you are embarrassed to not have seen?

In this episode we will answer the above questions and more, and dive deeper into the psychology that goes into not actually seeing a film.

You are listening to talking efictionsthe official podcast of ICM formcom, welcome back everyone, I'm Chris, andtoday we have something a little bit strange for you will actually talkabout films. We haven't seen why don't wo do that and whats the Volu of thiswell for Om, and the last episode discovered at soul has not yet senceseven Samurai and I want an episode. We could shame him for forty minutes to anhour, but it Alsso Abe deeper than that. There's actually a lot of psychologyand preferenceis going into what we see and of we don't and today well tookinto the ladder we will explore why we shoulse bout to see certain films, andperhaps I we actively avoid them. I will also bi little bit deeperinterviewing habits and see if anything's changed over the years interms of what the sues you see an Motwai don't and to end it. On Li I toFucon roversial note, we will tell you about some films, rat Meli, Happewehaven't seen clansol and Tom, or back once again and for the ver first time,iwals extremely happy to introduce Ula and who ta can introduce himself andalso answer. My very first question. Wate is the main reason. Why will notbe a film, especially if that film in some way is notable? Take it away?Wullet? Yes, so I'm Illionne, I am thirty years old, Im Norway! OriginallyI first pursued a career in biology, decided to move into cinema studies,and I'm currently doing my second year of PhD and Cinema Studies in Acom. Atthe main reason, I will not see of films. For me, I will actively try toavoid imspy directors ar under some kind of reminal controversy. Let's say:Example: Roman Polonski, that's less to do sort of activi behavior! For My side,an twitter, you have things like cancel culture and so on, but for me it's Morto do with that. It will color my viewing of it too much, knowing thattheir director ist under some kind of controversy in the media. So I feellike it's not fair to te ILN O of cloud hanging over it. I did actually watchthe most recent plans civen by accuse in the cinema before covid nineteenhappened, and I really regretted it could not bea that film as anythingother than always me commentary putting himself as a victim, but it's of course,so much more to that film, especially the acting and staging, but I juststruggle to enjoy it. I feel, for me at least that I must wait until the USTERsettle and so moving so fast. It becomes history quite fast, so I guessI'll be al able to enjoy films by Blonsky or Ousk or maybe even wordeal.In a few years, all this thats on question thou. how Ar you reacting toOler polancy films. Do you rewatch them, or do you just avoid them as well yeah?I avoid them as well caurse. I am, I just think of Oh ters, maybe someevidence something in their personality or psyche, or I do avoid that. Thasalof clam tell us why you would not watch a film everyone. My name is Clema,I'm twenty five from Frence. Now I think it's interesting questionobviously asked it myself and I realized that they were not tering.Much reason I would avoid watching a film. I staid asking myself also thequestion: Why would I watch a film and realize that the reason why I wouldwatch a film and the reason why I wouldn't watch a film are very singlarand mostly the same. There are too many reasons I came up with the first onebeing wo director. My reasons are a little bit different than Oly. I notreally interested in the private life, let' say and many affairs that couldsurround someone. I prefer to focus on...

...what is doing as an out form, and thisgoes for films and also for music books and so on, but I can definitelyunderstand someone experience being tainted by what's going on in hispersonal life director. Well, it's simply. If I enjoyed T or didn't enjoya film Mor dams by someone, it will influence my choice. The second reasonI came up with is well sinply e story. If the story doesn't appear to me atall, it will incluence my choice of seeing it or not seeing it it's time here from England. So mainreason you will not see a film for me, this is quite an interesting one,because I feel like I've got high tolerance for watching adds to averagefilms, perhaps because I love the Horigona and elms that fall into thatcategry, obviously aside from the great ones so because I'm quite a forgivingviewer, there's not much that I tend to avoid. But the main reason that I woullnot see a film is probably because of Adam Sanley. If he's in a film, thenchances are I'm not going to touch you to walk. There are actually twoexceptions to this: There's always an exception to a rule, because he wasbrilliant in uncut, gems and punch drunk clove, but I find that his rolesin comedies, where he just recycles the same character. They really don't workfor me and it's kind of depressing to see him perform so well in theseexcellent serious roles bought not do them so often, because I feel thatthere's a great act o Lakin in there, but so often he just tends to deliverthese awful comedies that are obviously successful for him. But it's a shamethat he's not focusing on aspect of his career that one that I appreciate thathat sh apaste commentary to Tom, because I think you completely wrightthere. I also avoid Adam sandard almost anything, but since against this, urgethat just wants a decade or twice a daycade. He wants to prove Tha hisbidactor and it does it like make you go bek, the Pun, Tran Clob. We can alsosee rain or bee. We wasn't ask od that Ti t rather than really high qualtyperformance and, of course again without tat, camric onest em says itmight be e best performance of last year. It was to suspect tacicaleperformance, so yeah. I Have Sander again on the Gret actor, but usuallyabsolutely terrible, and I suppose the person to conclude our opening roundtall was also person who stalked with all of this, so Tis Hend Yourself Sot.Why have we not yet seen seven SUMRI, I'm so I'm thirty, three years old fromAustralia, I've been watching films for nineteen years well, somehow managingto avoid seven Samurai. Before I get to that, I just thought I might react tosome of the other poments from other people. I thought it was interestingabout plantky was mentioned, Aout, Woidy, ell and other directors, because,like Clem, I try and see films sapply to the directors. I mableto reallydivorce myself from their private life while watching it. If I do see theirprivate life come through, it actually find it more intriguing, like a lot ofplantskis films, a very paranoiirelated for a good reason, and I think hiscreates great Paranoiaf feems because of hit get stuff. That I'mthat'shappened to him personally, Adam sandle yeah, actually like him asan actor in general. I think he does go for a lot of bottom fode roles. Hedoesn't shove his potential, but it's not just uncut gems and hunt strug loveand ran over me and think of films like Spanglish, which he did round sixteenyears ago. Very strong performance in...

...that, and even in films like can't misswith hi Zohad, is gon a very dyneric personal es, actually channeling SashaBaron coane a bit in that film, I think, is got a lot of potential there, but Ijust get squandered over Aguess. The stuff which is made box office draw,and I recently saw fifty first dates with Im Inat, which I guess is playingmuch of the same character as usual. Buth thought was actually asurprisingly decent film. I don't want to be a whole Adam, sandlot radconversation. So getting back to why I wouldn't watch films. The main thingI'd actually put down his subject, Madam Times for Seven Samuri, which I'mhaven'tg watched it, because I'm not really into Samurai films. Ust thingyour films like a hundred an twenty seven hours by Dunny, boil with JamesFrank Coanit, stuck with his arm in the side of the cliff or mountain I'mthinking ell. Why do I actually want to see that I sort of now what happened?I've been told what happens in it Whel do I want to watch that for ninety twoon hundred and twenty minutes, also, films like a more by Michael Hannukar,is one of my favorite directors, but just know what the filmis about youknow caring for this old dying woman again, it's something which I don'tthink I'LD get much enjoyin Mon OL pleasure off ofilming out of seeing andjust some other stuff, also like act of killing about celebrating differentways of killing or birth of the nation, O Ne Thousand Nine hundred and fifteenfilm about highlonely agenments of the KK Ky. The sumthing that I really getsto me, but big killer will be sobject Mata plus length, seven Samurit aboutSamuraie, which doesn interest me N, hit's close to four hours long, I'm inthere sorry guys, fo. The reason why I might avoid films is, if I know theending or no the twist something like the crying game. I know whythe peoplewill twist them there, so I haven't actually seen that and that night there there are some filmslike white heat films like film and Louis, that actually do get inhanced.If you do know the ending, but generally, if I know the ending one otwist to Cime, it's really hard to motivot myself to watch the film. Ialso, if haven't seen the original film in a while or sometimes wouldn'tactually want to sit down and see it like Briter froaking Stan haven't seenthat yet because I haven't seen therisisial Frackinstein in fifteenyears or be like Joungoan Shaned Bie an Tarantina I actually avoided for years,because I actually thought it was related to the rign Jongo film wasn'tso realized that it wasn't that I actually did it end up watching it. I'mcurious yous Ar Avoiding Samurai films, hat about usial, art films or actionfilms in general s is something about Mri. AM THAT OT of uninteresting to youor I'm not sure T, I'm not sure what isabout Sami Films and we've been big into the action genre in general. So inthe last couple of years, I've really got into congfu and martial arts films,which are very kinetic and there's lots of you know hand to hang combat, anralaction, films like with guns and shooing, and all that I've never reallybeen much of a fan. I've neverally seen the history in that I've never reallycaut Bot of me that much so I guess I just go really slow, progressor longterms of action, films and maybe I'll get to Sami filmas. Eventually I meanyou know I've seen a few and other than Yoganbo, which I know as a coosor filmother than that none of them have really done much for me. So far does Otat, though, do you like wetern films, okay, that' terroriscuse? You got theWestins challenge going on on the r form at the moment, and I've beensaying a lot of really lousy, B Grain Westins Year Westerns. There aredefinitely SOMMI like a lot. Some. You know like this, so no more, no lessthan the average genre out there. Someryan Westerns are essentially theysaid in teicte. Tharteristics are so similar that majors arrivalans,including seven Sumri, Andeinbo, cont large Western remaxes, because theteams, the type of conflict and the type of characters and the Senarios inthe worlds tere in it's so many ways,...

...overlase irs, a interesting that youlike one more or Ess the same as other tramras but ther not at all. I don'tknow really about Westens. I have got into them much more recently in thepast three or four years drop participating in the challenges and theICM forum before registering with the ICM, for I I probably wouldn't haveseen more than maybe fifty or eighty Westerns I've seen over two hundred. SoI become exposed to it more in recent years. So maybe it's just somethingthat I'm gradually catching up with, and it's supposed to also have tanserthis question: It's a little bit of a hard one, because I am it for Completeiat Hark. So let Livten look at recent films from any given year. I bilusually try to watch all the films that th someway have received. Recognitionand evees have to look at Mott degree of recognition. So you have like thefill that pop up on almost every single toptan lists, like O gardes o. What Ibelieve I feel about the film I will wors it simply because I wought to bepart of that conversation abot. It's just ofsfild. They also think it'sreally interesting to go into a film I don't necessarily like, but to be ableto destend by an it like it and be able to offor distust thant with otherpeople, but but there's also drop off rate, in which case it woill usually bethe director. So if I've had experience at therector and now the director isnot that interesting to me, a e Vor Tas gemeetually at least not see that film.Unlike Ol, I don't really truggle to divide art from autist, so I will stillsee recent fals Pypeon skiy and I would have seen recent film for the alum ifthey were so poor. So if I at one put Lov Tat, recold, always be interestedto fold that drectyseeote in the beginning and see how they am, and thisfollow that journey and some directors, Vudianin particular, doesn't seem toslow down the horal quality of ter output. It is just on feel particularlyt, like I guess, Sol on this recent one wit dezis Burg and Chistmans towert. I don't even rememberits name anymore and it ASE it. Yes, yes, exactly cofe society, it's just so false like it's just sothat can be good, that you can't have this false strange mission of a time.Thi can work really really well, but here it just fell largely Emita etthere's some good humor there theres some things that work, but it justdoesn't feel like the work of a great director. That's usually why I drop offthese days. Chris, have you seen a rational man by wooddy Allen Ha cameout a year before cafe society low down watching with thealtum afterblue desments. I think oon sin one or two of his films after that, beforethat Das Neen, absolutely everything, but after that, this realize that itwasn't really making FIMS Awer Tan Interestinor Kabecause the restionalman's actually extremely interesting film. It's all about morality, aboutwhat you get away with. It follows a lot of his recurring themes from Anto,Mr Binas, through to match point through the scoop, with a lot of thingsabout ethics as an extremely interesting film, with a really greatperforance by walking in Phoenix in it, and I would highly recommend it andIo'LD still see oll modern allen, films. Even though it's a been uneven, I foundthe last ten years. He does one great film than Y, Not Se greate film, 'd,say every second film he does. What has been doing lately has actually beenreally good. Thers, a good recornation DOL, tot desnat Ta seek o the restioalman. Another thing that's really shape for me is that I used to be formerinterested in the broader social ormizations of films as well. So Iwould ask what essentially anything that would would be of note likeincluding transformers, including all of the recent top lokbusters simple, soI can also distrust those films. I think that over the years, especiallyas I got ness less time to see films...

...that is started to become increasinglytacky, and that also ties in to say acadony awore nominations where Iactually didn't see Queen Brook until a couple of months ago and that Wong, theward, Sim, becaust and Egree book was not he film. That would be alreallyinteresting to me. I think that's also one thing that chaged in o beinhabitthat hat has been become a bit more bicky and I don't feel like I need toparticipate in every single conversation, even though I'mabsolutely bit officomplatist. This tires Sothingto the next topic as well.How have your viewing habits changed same pastern ta it earlier so startingwith Hula, ten clan Tan Tom and Thansalt, and this answer the question:How has your viewing habit change if they had ever been toso some block,pers or sometings like that? But I did go down at trying to pict upfifty. I found the makers that my interest and then I delved into them.Last few years, I've less focused on arrative anima. It has become lessimportant to me. I've grown increasingly fond of experimental filmsor films that ocus oments or feelings trying to test up filmiss and what itis tipable of clan. My viewing a bit Ave nereally changed over the years. Ithink, as we mentioned before, when people got into cinema well, at leastwhen we did. We start working on the IMDV top t fifty and for some maybestarted watching the most popular film, the biggest filmps of the year, asChris mentioned. For me, I was never particularly interested in checking outthose films. I do check an out occasionally, but most of the time it'snot e feem that appeal to me s most and I always find there. Some OL O Films Immor interested in so I tend to watch them, but usually years later, andsomesome of them have never seen to this day, which has incret excuse lateron. So, overall, I think when people try to keep up with what's popure andGetti new wards or in the general public, it's also because they want towell be able to discuss Sinamaos people around them. I never really felt thisneedand literally at the opportunity, either in real life faman until a sforum, keeping up was never really something. I tried to do thanks clamTom, so online clam. I think that my viewing piorities have changed somewhat.I used to try to keep up with new releases like Christid, basically in myearly s used to review films for a few in outlets, and I kind of had it in myhead that to be a well rounded quittit, I wanted to see the majority of the newreleases and keep in touch with what was popular in mainstream cinema. As Imoved away from that, I decided to pursue primarily areas of film Ispecifically enjoy. So obviously, horror is one of my main priorities anda now tend to focus on completing lists like the lists on ou check movies,where I know that the quality of films is going to be a certain level thatwill be satisfact with my viewing habits as oppased to keeping up withthe mainstream botbuses which are entertaining and have their place, andI do still seek out the ones that interest me, but not so much as I usedto Andtam so o my viewing habits have changed quite significantly over thenearly two decades, aauve being watching films, O probably similar toTom. I would have started from one point where s more mainstream films.Also, I guess the bigger films then I...

...would have branched out from there. SoI first started off by using Hollywell's film guide. I would go andtry and find the Thrig in the fourstaff film as available some of the holesthat I have in my Le Eviewing, not so much seven Samuri, but things likeRobert Bresson films, because those I'll never as never able to get in myearly years as a cinema goe over time. My tast is also narrowed down a bitlike Tom, I'm really into horror, like all T. actually, a m interested inexperimental cinema, not stuff like dog, star man, Stan Bracket Actualy, reallycan't stand that the structureess filmmakers HOS Fram Turnip Michael SnowOre, like some of the stuff they've done since my film tast, is actuallynarrowed over the last nineteen years. It's got to the point where yes, you'vegot these Robert Bresson films available to me now, but now I'm nolonger interested in in seeing that I'm interested in seeing more horror, filmsand interested in seeing or personal identity films, I'm interested inseeing or dramas were not sure, wether somebody's, seeing something as real ornot. I taste had changed and because my tastare changed by if youing proities have changed, and I think that's why ive gota lot of things which I've avoided cause. When I was first getting intocinema, I was never ever experienced them then, and now it's like well, Icould experience them now or I could actually watch some horror films whichI know I'm really going to like and which I'm really curious to actuallycheck out. Well, thank you son. I guess that destroys our hope of a RobertPresent podcast as well, so this tak is on to the probably mostfun question into this podcast to Solac Entera Teter, a little bit already, ofwhich films were a little bit embarrassed that we haven't seen yet.So, if you don't have any films, you actually embarrassed Tuff. You cansimply name some of the films that you feel that you probably should have seenalready and we can start from them again. As I mentioned earlier, myviewing a bit oven, treach and over the years and I' Well. I've never reallybeen interested in keeping up with the most popular films, so the biggestgoals that sayin my dewing experience are the films that will the most Popabooks of kids films that everyone h've seen, which is quite a problem, becauseit's becoming tougher to talk about films or even say that Ou doulite films,when you meet someone for the first time, but because o usually av to askyou about films and Youlike Ji haven't seen that one on ha one an that on andyeah the Grotin most of the time to just on doing. Why wet you coulyourself, a will, be loving you? U Haven'N, seen alls o marvel films stufflike that. Well, I not unashamed of not IV seeing them, of course, but it's acompersation Khiller, let's say the biggest films I haven't seen. I was themost Gilt bokrefilmd from the S. I wrote down a few dirty dancing dancingwith warfs domask Dumenji, like big poter film from the netys that I neverreally watched when I was a kid Ora teenager and that now well, don'tcontrally appear to me. There Aleso a lot of the recent oscer winners that Ihaven't seen. I think the most recent one I've seen Mus th Burdan, which Iactually like theyre, also, of course, all the old time box office, biteos Tet,I haven't soseen and I think the filmd m, the most ashamed of not having seentispice having seen the first one, the second one and fourth one is Shrektritch, the stretre Isee, most embarastose,okay. Let's continue the conversation over to Ula, I'm teaching in universityand think it', two films for me: Onis the birds, alfor hitchcock film,because constantly referenced in Film Literature and the same with Embartodeed, Witoo, the Seka and especially the scene with the maid, an coffeeconstantly being referenced by and...

...terrorist such as Rebasan is thetheloose when it comes to the birds. Have this mental image that it is a veryannoying to listen to thing of sounds of birls Thar up to I or good and frompeople I've heard talking about it. They have said that it's a bit of adisappointing chcock film fowever. I have for some reason on Ti'm alive towatch the terrible Pickat Bird Ammi wor, the worst films that ier seen, but forsome reason I've seen bdemic and not birds that it makes it even moreshamefuls and Lhess is good like this. The movies and Stose Birgs make are farmore annoying. Is that is good to hear? Shou should definitely try to make timefor the birds, Olso, im Bathodi, a I'm sure. I, like the films, don't thinkyou're really missing out a much with the birds as a narrative, the narrativeis actually highly unsatisfying. I founda seen I a couple of times, maybethree times early resolve and he doesn't rovide any art as as anexerciseing editing, though it's actually really great, if you actuallybreak it down to the reaction, shots and the way hittrock cuts to the birdsand cuts back to the lead, doctress's base and then back again sets Om lotsof tension. I've actually used it myself or story boards from it. I'vetaught ediing up a very basic primary school level. Ut. It's a good film frorthat point of you technically, but I think as a narrative you're not reallymissing. Alsam a Loti wodn't give it wouldn make it one of hit Shok top tenfilms or anything AE. Ot Dis liked off the birds too much, because I didn'tactually think it was a great fil. I have rewatched it and it wasn't atstrong on. He. Reversus was viritial lieving, probably because on EriginalYeuno as more caught up in the atmosphere, which is really really welldone so agree with Soltin things that the narrative is not fantastic but as wwell past the film it doesn't really well. It also has a lot of mystery anda lot of tension that I think iu ee mare stronger by the fact that it's notreally result in question regarding bordede is to a particular reason. WHYL,you haven't seen it yet since you're so embarrasseed they haven't seen it. Ihave you seen other films, Byvitordizica and tenjoy them or isthernno reason. I've seen other films py, the rector nd, I I mean bicycleTVSIS ostope think I think it's that I have this antal image of seeing withthe mad making coffee or clearly, in my mind, that IMI'm worried that when Isee it that I won't much of it, I've not seen that many. I narrow list films in the last fewyears. I A'm guessing it time for curate for me for myself, son programand Waall of them, including Anbarthody, and I think you'll really enjoy it to,because I it mean it's not about the man. It's probably wonost immost thepressing films ever made with just incredible central performance andReali. You thought it o Al to make. You feel very sad, but let's take thisconversation over to so. For me, the film and mostembarrassed for not seeing is probably an Crio crusora film, the HiddenFortress. Now I love all the other crisile films that I've seen for somereason. I've just never got round to this one and funny that this is the onethat I haven't seen, because I know that the storyline was a hugeinsepiration for George Lucas on Star Wars and when I was growing up starwars as one of my favorite film. So really. This should be a high priorityfor me, but, as is the case for so many films, they often just slip through thecracks, and you forget about them, but hopefully I will get round to watchingthis someday soon, really interesting cas I ould not haveseen, and just my personal viewof it,...

...even though I think is a great film- isthat it's probably one of his lihtest as well. It does really have the cloudor the heaviness or sinematic provisse of say, rushramong or seven summer, itetc, but it's definitely welwer aviewing and that leads us on to solvethoug. This is a really interesting question when Chris put it out beforeIp, the episodehe want us to thing about films that were embarrassed aboutnever having seen. I don't know if I'd ever quite use. That word I e I mentionpreviously or earlyr one on the podcast. This films I just haven't seen becausemaybe they weren't avaitale Ting when I war first getting into cinema a D, NowI'l sort of Afind, my taste a lot so there's films, I just naturally beenpicked up and haven't got on around to does sometimes get a bit awkcardandconversations, especially when people know you're in real life, know thatyou've seen eight or ninethusand films, hat t you like movies Lon, and theymention something, and I have to go OL well. I've never seen brave hurt, forinstance, or something like that, so you can always get a little bit awkward,but there's always I find a reason for me, like I said Eale on with some ofthe films I mentioned like a more by Michael Hunnukar, and how I look atthem and go while it's going to be like really sad and depressing. I don't wantto see that Don want to see James Franko hanging off a mountain for UMPbewas trying to get his arm off before he does you know what with it? Oh I'dsay it's not quite embarrassing. For me, it's more the case. It does timetimeslead to a little bit of awkwardness. Then a lot of people. I guess, don'treally realize how many films her are out there, especially what are reallyinto cinema rilliant that comes up in conversation that ever becomes an issueand then just look at how broad senmer is at the moment and just all thedifferent other avenues to explore. I could just go through the they shootpictures top ontusand or I could actually go expoiling off Ar Nishe bitsof African cinema or laten American cinemas. I've done for the ICM forum,Challenges and I' trather be doing that and going through one particularist. Ithink that it's funny, you mention the Awcard conversations with people,because you use most of the popular films there so because I had one theother day where one of my friends was asking for my thoughts on the new GodZillar film, and then they were surprised that I didn't have any,because I hadn't seen it and we're al so surprised that I hadn't seen in theprevious incuration and then we dunt, founded that the only one I had seenwas one thousand nine hundred and fifty four original Yi agree with that. A LotF time. I find also with things like marvel movies. People talk to me aboutthat and like well. I haven't actually see anything other than guardians ofthe galaxy, because the rest of it doesn't look particularly good, thoughI know the stuff like Thor, Ragne Rock, which is from the director of Jo Raban Wel, supposed talking aboutGeorge Arabbit person. Next to me was saying: Oh, what's from the director ofthat thow movie, I'm like Oh Iknor, it's fom, the director of we do in theshadows or the hunt for the world of people, but I don't really associatewith those sort of bigger films I watched most of the marvel and Yo arenot missing out on anything at all. I watch them so that and people ask meabout them- have somusually it's quite negative. Somthing else ha put out.There's some people do like to call me a film SNOB for not watching certainfilms. The way they look at t is that there's thousands and thousands offilms out there. It's come to the stage in the journey. I've been watchingfilms for nineteen years. I know, what's likely to appeal to me more, andI would much rather focus on that at the moment, but you know probably gooleast another nineteen years ahead of me and during that time things mightchange in Thos, interesting Soi. I do not temarrass about any of the filmsthey haven't seen because at least there's one film I's, not the Cole TiamIm really really Gettnin hen birth, the...

...haven't copd around to yet, and that istwenteeks return and I hadest I don' tire any excuse for that, because Ilove David Linch and I love tmit Dek and I remember when waiting for itevery since it was announced and preparing to start wotching it when itwas coming DB and it was so toln in my country at the time. So I decided towait until you know it was all done and I could see all of it. E One go andthen I didn't still haven't and besides being, I guess, around seventen hourslong. I just don't have any excuse for that whatsoever. Andother relativelylonger miny series that I know Iver get around to is mysteries of Wispol, whichyou know, keeps the stopping Ando the decade list and it's just sorespectivon so many people and I see the screen shots and it took skinn and a beautifuland again. This is just ha case of it's relatively long, and I just don't havethat close connection to the films of interest, so I woas Sai. Those areprobably the two most embarrassing films for me Oll and that is remi longmore, which is winter sleep. That's again is because I haven't seen a lotof Seelin fillds. As I haven't seen climates, I haven't seen the boltcontry. That's probably one of the major directors. Hav really really needto see more films from Bu Think Yon Missing on too much with mysteries ofLisavilla. It does look really gorgeous it's a gorgeous. Looking film, I foundit a real shore to get through, and I can't quate remember what I watched inthe first place, but it was definitely not as good as I was hoping it to be.Wete say you are definitely missing up. UON inpiksthe return have to watch, itis. Is it you worried at your expectations are too high? Is that areason I you haven't watched it yet it it might be, it might be part of it,but, like I just I don't know, I think I'm pretty convinced that Ilove it. I'm prety did TNOT COMIN SALLE of it. So if well, that might play atiny part of it. Ive Rein. This think, is just sent thing a side of seventeenhours and just need to start doing that right away. The one thing I didn'tthink was interesting. Earlin, this conversation is the IMB topt fiftybecause in the ve first TEP ISOF, we all talked about how massive dae ton toifty wasn't getting us in the film and in most of US hapeated it in thisepisode as well yeah the think that list has dropped in most of ourappreciation. I think wee really really fund if weall open that list up an justshat quickly, how many films we haven't seen from that yet so I used to beproud of completing the IMDB top tod fifty and would actually try and watchevery new film that entered it. But have you inhabits of change? It'sbecome less of a priority, so for me it's now at two hundred and thirty five,the films that I've seen and theres fifteen unchecked, and mainly newreleases wood films that have vented over the past few years. Actuallyalmost identic number to me. So I have three hundred thirty four film checkthat it's pretty much the same thing: new release, insthat it just didn't,get around tin, oting, one dors, actally, quite ropting, which o know ifit has seen which is through. I guess, if I added to Polista film time, anbars to not av sen it as all I've seen two hundred and two out of two hundredand fifty of the current Im DB. Top of fifty don't know if it's actually alist that I was able to interested in getting into cinema mean I di refer tolook at it a little bit, but I think I guess from early on already knew thatit was always had a few espect choices in there. But it's interesting thatpeople complain about Lon of these suspect choices these days, but someere actually really good, because a recent banish film in there called theinvisible guest which actually is really good. It's not children, fiftyof all time good, but you know either...

...as American historyx or other filmsthat are in there nd. Even things like three idiots: okay, it's not one of thetop two hundred and fifty films over mad, but it actually is a really funnyfilm, with a lot of heart to it. Also I' not seeing our Indian blockbursters and Bot of FilmsBeen Blar, Osconomines and Yo boered about watching them, it's skeptical tolist nowadays. I guess that makes me bit of UB is opposed to alls nots now yeah. I do want to try one of thoselockbuster just to see what it's like heard red for critics seems to be this.We all find good one list that I've seen two hundred and two films out oftwoe hundred and fifty right now, just like so this pice being the first placethat I worked on, I actually never completed it. It's something I wasplanning to do, but I never really got around O to doing it. I think it's oneof my wrongtor goal to one time at least AF platinumn on this list, butnever really got oround to it so far, but I was n an interesting Clip Tot ererlate. Wasn't it remember also working on this list so much. I thinkif fi got my amy propailty, you know Thet Lil, minitrol, favor not checkedtwo thousand and four Lis sec to thousand and five MIT sixtwo thousandand six list, and at some point in is started things too many films on thatlist that that just didn't really have a massive interest for and was even bidivers to and then slowly I stopped working on it, but tying us over to theour second last topic, which is Watar son films that you avoided watching orwaited to watch for a very, very long time and was then just blown away andit credibly presidently surpriseess couldn't believe you had waited so longto findally see and we can start with clam. I don't know if I should bespeaking about this one, because I trye to think about it and I couldn't findany films. I think this shows a man with a sense of priority, so well done.Clad. Thanks well mentioned earlier that he did not stand wreckage. Wat say:Ther are two films, Py Tan wreckage that I put off for the longest timebecause of thei content. They are about this window. Water baby, moving on upclose, the Brouth of his daughter and the other one is act of seeing Wehadone's own ice man otop park put off these films because I was worried. Icould not handle seeing these things on Amera. They seemed like very difficultfilms, I'm glad I chose to them earlier this year had inthem on list writthings for Os to a decade. I just found them very beautiful, actually windowwater baby moving Richich, I found a very touching film onberth, also foundthat both films really brought home tid. I standwrackage of the values of lokingfor their untuatured iyn or his ideas that when we look at something actinsitively by gripping it Toyou already know you think of Bertha something bitmore. Romantic and less messy, but thissorting mechanistm in our brainprobably tries to yield some images away from us. It jus us not to look atbirth and that in Awayas these two films Pi Brackege Earth, as well asthat is more beautiful in our heads. Perhaps Otan Ostopsis are real things,Andaway horder to look at actually these films. They are silent, tocuss onseeing not only beautiful, but I also just something of not being afraid ofthese aspects. Example in act of seeing with one son's eyes seeing ther the daily life of somepeople, Tha are doing outopsis. I think...

...also what I got out of these tems thatI've been dreading for so long to watch. I think it's so interesting t a webring op bosities to films, because I also waited with saeing thet, notnecessarily because of their contents, but is because I had some less pleasantexperiences with Stan wreckage. I'm not a partictularly big fan of dogs or mathixstanse, and that put me off seeing some of this longer shorge for a longtime, but both of these two tims instantly became favorites for me, Torjust mentioned with window water baby. Moving that I did actually I've seenthat and I did like it and it's quite different to something like Dogstarman,because you've got a real sense of things going on there. It's just therandomness of dog starman that really put me off and US putming off some ofthe other brackage films that I've seen and that's why I as saying I refersomething like Zons, Lema or wave length in terms of experimental cinema,because it seems to have a purpose and it's actually doing something. Bav likethis more of a tractural experiment, yes, and it has a bit of a narrative- Ilove Michael Snow so about that on another podcast sometime and- and Iwould say that, though wreckage is inery more playful, like he's a playfulfilmi place with a cellar ad cause. Now it's more funny, I would say, is quitea funny filmmaker yeahiagree about snows films being very funny,especially so as this the lonly to see one word every one. Second, every twoseconds: That's incredibly funny a thing as like Corpus, Colossum, whereits constantly putting like film form on its head. It's also go very funnyand Youw of tod all the A nows femwas to be extremely playful, even stufflike back and forth here, kips groing, back and forth, and suddenly seesomething different, just really toys and plays with our expectations as afilm goer, and I really like Hat Athot what I've seen from his work, a a greatdiscussion that we can move it don to what films Tom is embarrassed. Hehasn't yet seen. One of the films that I held out for the longest was openyour eyes by Aleandrew Amenabar. Now the reason for this was the fact that Isaw vanilla sky. He remate quite early, a filmwutchin experiences and it didn'treally resonate with me. I was kind of disappointed at Itd, been hape Taut bysome people and close to me to be this great thing that it perhaps wasn't, andfor that reason I decided that the original was not worth seeking out nowI watched it only a few months back and it blew meaway. I thought it was a masterful head trip, perhaps even the directorsgreatest accomplishment tangles with notions of reality, dreams ofimmortality and perceptions of identity to deliver one halovan enigma itchannels the trauma and Parannoia of John Frankenheimer seconds with a boldnaative flourish, perhaps not too far remove from the man bending approach,Christopher Nolan applied to story, Talian Momento, and it leaves you longin to revisit the film once you've uncovered all the secrets containewithin its perplexing yet wholly satisfying Lebren, fene storyline, andfor me that was a great experience that I kind of wish had seen earlier. But atthe same time I was so happy that I did it eventually decide to seek it out.Interestingly, I had a similar experience to Tomot with vanilla skyand open your eyes. I saw vanilla sky very close to when it came out,probably in two thousand and two or two thousand and three. It was a big filmthat time ad got a think of an Oscarmination for best song and a SIBnomination for acting. So it was quite a big film then, when actually saw ofthem as skyid actually did to my young mind back then I guess I was fifteen orsixteen. It did kind of blew me away a...

...little bit and because of that, Iactually avoided opnor eyes, for least ten years after that Tom Actually satdown and watch open your eyes because it actually had been so long did likeit quite a bit more than I was expecting to an it's just interestingthat I abougd out for the exact same reason, y ended up, avoiding it and soo Trowin that that is Ni realize that yeah, I still haven't seen open youreyes tand. Yes, I have quite embarrassed not to have seen it yetnice trove back to the last topic and takes us on to solve. I think ourcurrent topic is about films that we've avoided, but we're happy that wefinally saw them and one of them going back to our podcast. From last week. WeAle delighted about how much we loved a clock work. Corange, it's influence onour lives. I saw a clock of corange that a quite tender age of imemwasabout fifteen or sixteen and film singing in the rain, from aCLOCKOFK OANGE and associating with that scene, I was like I don't thincould have sea sing in the rain. Actually did it until very recently,I'd say maybe about six or seven years ago. Actually fats finally sat down andsaw singing in the rain and liked it a lot and I've watched it many timessince, and I think I've actually seen it five times now, which is a lot overArigt, six or seven year period, and it's good, though, that I avoided inthe rain- and I didn't see it early on my film going journey because it'sabout silent films and Silenc cinema and before registering with the ICMforum, I'd probably only seen maybe thirty or forty silent films in thetime since I've seen a lot and Lotan lot more and when I first was gettinginto cinema. The only scient films that I knew about were Nosporarto and, Ithink Mestopulis I think, Hod I seen singing in the rain with only those twofilms, as my atground, I don't think, would have liked the so much thing,Iwas actually good, that I avoided it for a few years and seeing more silentfilms. Man has made me appreciate it more. What's going on there from anarrative point of view, R, another film hat, I also avoided for quite awhile for a reason which I haven't mentioned yet one of my reasons why Ialso sometimes avoid films is because if they seem gimmicky, so I know it'snot really a great reason, but things like boyhood from Richard Link later, Istill haven't seen that Tom, like it just seems you know the Gamic dus goingto film a little bit here. Then there other film, which Oice Trok me as verygimmick. He was Dogville from Laz Vontrea and it first came out in twothousand and three. It was discussed a lot in the ID message. Boards Bontriofilms that Iad seen back then were films like the idiots which I thoughtwas Feilly, idiotic, I'm sorry to say, O that was one was like. Oh okay, film,without sets yeah, whatever doesn't really interest me tey recently in thelast six months, have actually sat down and like Dogville, and I liked it andit was really interesting having with no sets in there and anm. Very please.I saw it, but also in the time since then Ai said a lot more vontrer films oif things seem things like the house, Thot Jack, built, showpe, Tena Lot ofother things. That vontree has done, which I think is also helped me seeingthat with a little bit of a delay, hat'sas interesting as another filmthat I did avoid for quite a bit, but I'm very happy that I finally saw asone to had her that doute is alsome one of my very favorite games. I would loveto discuss that one not more like have a later point. I anone else want to sayanything about this topic quite interesting, that Adam who is producer,one of the COPA juices of this podcast, as well as the person asselte. Theforum actually told me before that he's Watche Boyhood, specifically because ofthe Gimmick. Some film goers, I guess, attracted by Gimmiks, others are putoff by them. It's just really interesting, just in the whole scope ofwhy we might avoid a film or whyle. We might go out of our way to see a film.I think boishood works well because of the GIMIC I mean the actual story. Ittells is very straight forward and would have been perfectly Pascoleperfectly good film on his own. That...

...think, when you know more about theproject, how much went into it then also see how each section in this storywas more or less organically written as a project over thiey years, if addsmore to it and makes it better to. This is probably wone MOS. A few films in mymind where the Gim Mak in many ways makes it a more interesting project inits Ol right. The film that I want T, persent, Totdey,Asi Peo, a just bloom me away. It's also faltetizing with podcast that iscoming. Hou. Si is not our next one, but t one right after that, which isour podcast Eric Romers, comedies and proverbs cyco,the amiator's wife- and this is a film that just took me years and years andyears to get around to ather reason, for that is that up until this point,Romer was a rather hit and miss director. For me, I love Tom of hisfilms, but others just idn't verson at little, because it I wasn't on hiswaylength. I didn't quite understand what he was trying to do and- and Isuppose I even had this idea- that David his wife was about name Anis Wife,it was was the fhiling about some marriage of a kind, an his didn't, haveany interest in the film. I didn't know anything about the Filmman, because Ididn't have a coslation trog and never really cared to look into it, but thenI saw it, and ironically, this is the fiel. I just opened up Romer for mecompletely. I felt hat I got suff into what he was trying to do, the multiplelevel, his film words for that Santir comedy and as commentary and all of thethings finealy came together for me, including the way he stylized his films,and it also set me on a journey to watch as many Romer vilms. I could andyeah t hat. This is the film that literally opened up Roer and made melow Ari Romer. So it's probably the major wo. Why didn't? I see that beforefilm in my life- or perhaps it just came around at at the right time of mylife as well. Perhaps this wost the time when my days hadave been changeduntil I was on he romers way of length when y? U You never know either way,but that was such an interesting Meun to me and I've seen so many otherromers since and almost all of them were films I either loved or taught hergreat. So I had is on the time that film for doing that, for me not actually seen neviators, wife butheaving, you talk about it so passionately, it doesn't Spye me towatch it, and so that's another one that prhaps IV put off a long time thatmay hopefully Blowo me away I've seen all the films ofis cycled by Romor, butit was a few years ago. So I don't remember much from them, but I intendto rewatch them all for the podcast in two weeks and the vitor's wife ind, thegreenway were the two films of Secycl. I preferred, and overall I like OAfilms. So I really can't wait to rewatch them all and then discuss themwith you guys in two weeks and with that self promotion out of the way.Let's take it on to the conclusion here, we actually talk about the couple ofHims who really really happywe haven't seen yet, and we can take it back toclan just task. The other questions I thought about it before making thispodcast and well therer films are will probably never see because they donotappear to me story wise or because of the way the FIM is made. I think thatthe films are mostly happy. I haven't seen or actually films. I know I willenjoy films by directors I like, or films that really really appeal to methat I know are therefore a special occasion for a special day or when,whenever I wants to watch a good film, I know it's there. Oh Yeah. My answerto this question is be a bit boring me.

It's Isthat, I'm waiting for a bettercopy to bet available and is really happy. You mentioned waiting for filmsto come out in better quality, because that's just what I did with brightorSommer Day, so you know that that was wrong. Just I, this terrible terriblefondition until poteria GOS round to restor it- and it just looks beautifulnow- some this so happy a way to say ten, twelve thirty years my first toreabout it, untill seeing it because it really paid uff other Hn. This ofcourse, sometimes that don't know if there will be better version. Shouldyou wait decades decades is obscure film that seems interesting, but onlyexists. BVHS does make difference when I'm sory restored and restored well.Okay, Bam. I'm really happy that I haven't seen is the nine and a halfhours documentary about the Holocaust called shower. Now I'm going to have tosee this at some point, because the film appears in th. They shoot pictures,don't they list the thousand greatest films, but it's one that I've beenputting off for quite some time. Obviously, due to the run length and asI'm kind of a completist Wen in what films I don't really like watching theminpart. So this would be one where I'd have to sit down and watch it and asclose to one sitting as possible, at least in the same day, for now, I'mgoing to pass on it and work on the other films on the list, because Ithink it's a agrulang experience that and perhaps not quite ready for yetdifferent. I A different day go than I was expecting. So thank you. Tom TullyInrsin, a tom mentioned shower the umnine hour holocaust film, becausethat's why I look at with o length tand when I'm trying to a really long filmabout something that I'm not interested in. I want to be able to give it thatthree or four hours, if need be, don't often watch films in one sitting,especially the fererally longer, but I'm not embarrassed or ashamed by,because it's just like reading a good novel. We can pick it up give atanother point, but I want to be able to give films that chance. If they do gripbe enough, I can sit in and one viewing so something like. So I would like tohave the NI now was free to be able to watch it at once. It's not somethingthat I think I would watch in nine hours at once. A Thats Soi was reallygripped early entice, pyre but'd like to be able to give it that opportunityterms of long films, though that's the first thing that I thought about withthe topic of films that we're happy that we've never seen es a number oneone that has come up for me is empire Yandy Wallhole, the Filmo stetic, shotof the empi state building and a Ponya person keeping and seen a couple ofother wallow films or Walow Po moresy films and Er very low down in my books,I recently saw loadsome cowboys. Ith is a really terrible film. It's verypoorly made. I think it's poorly made on purpose with all the audio notproperly recorded N, all the junk cuts. I think it's sone purpose to besubversive, but's Averso than it last for an hour and forty five minutes, Oit's like at first like O, is really cool. Warl holtifying all theseconventions by the time o've watch Ang our and forty five minutes. I that it'slike pulling your hair out, seeing that for that long and that night, I'm happythat I haven't seen empire. I think it was once in the they shoot pictures topone thousand list tat, I'm never probably going to get a platinum onanyway, and I check movies. So it's a film that I don't need to see a know.Some peopell have seen it because they want to get a platnum on it os Ipeopler suggesting watching it on times seven speed, but I'm not going to dothat. doesnit really seem to me that's a proper way of experiencing a film. Icoulot I could sort of understand, but something like a James Benning filmthat Ta've done that I n en usuall with...

...a James Bellingfilm, will be doingsomething else at the same time, so I woalt n't just be sitting glued to thescreen with that yeah in terms of fast pording, through films, yeah dithink,you really get the quite the same experience of unless it's somethingwhere there's maybe no dialogue and no music and no anything yeah. It's justnot the same as way the film was intended to be. I think Owim alsoextremely happy that they haven't seen the empire. To be honest- and I think Iwas always especially annoyed by popularity because it wasn't intendedto be a thehandard film- I mean it is an arc piece. Thats was meant tobecause pe projected that parties and th orshars you were supposed to see allof it and now so many people are in one way another forcing themselves to seethis film tointo completely startto a D say: Hey I've seen it. It is ust such astrange, strange thing to do, especially if you watch it on seven. Atspeed Thaes, this really bizarre, so I' CSUALY SA. If I ever actually wanted tosee it, I don't know, maybe I'd Trid to do it as if it was a norcow. You knowput it on Chack it on the wall or thes Puttit Don put it on the TV and thiswalk around the other Stuf. I think this will be about the only feelingwould ever be comfortable doing that to, like wit, that James Penniting, my wil,actually tried to be absorted an olf man but thes empire. I just I don'tknow how to engage with that film or respectid properly, which is why I justhaven't see the depth teristing point that Chris is mentioned about films andhow they're meant to be seen, and that Empi was never actually designed to mesomething we're going to sit for. You know whole day and just completelywatch it because you've got things like mini series. Then Syim, like FannyAlexander, I have watched in a single sitting. If I'm looking at theminiseries version of it, it wasn't actually designed to be experiencedthat way. So then you go be really a film purist. Do you watch a mini seriesall at once? Do you break it up, but the interesting questions and ID loveto do a podcast and film purism and Tom's? Also interesting in that it's atopic which I would like to cover at some stage. Little bit disappointed youguys and, and I fo Lit Bito Pis because we didn't get. You know that Rauncyenjoyable feeling of wow. I haven't seen this you even the much moreserious and dod root with this, so I'll be defendive one then and thus say thatthere are so many fiilms. I haven't seen that I am again with the happythat I have not seen like mentione earlier when I was maring the majorityof films that o reach some kind of height, including films liketransformers. I guass want to say I'm so happy. I stoppd that I'm so happy. Ihaven't seen pesformers for five six, seven around ever for they've gotteninto that franchise. I don't even know anymore. I'm also incredibly happy thatI stopped what the house even called or the Hono Games. I mean credebly happy.I stopped worching the hunge games, tha haven't seen the last im fom thatserious either an other series, ive, really Wene, stoppd right away. If thefantastic BSERIES, the first one was as ta Bisbal, and that was this no pointin continuing wotching, that and in terms of slihtly, more respected films,and I Nalwis had some Nice Verton about itsalt. So I might actually change mymind on this. But one of the main reasons why I never completed the IAMmet of the fifty at one pont again was because Fims, like Twe Idiots, werelanding on it, and I was watching the first few films of this typeteerlanding there and t I didn't enjoy them at all, and I just use some ofthese companies with a lot of suspicion am quite sure I want to joy it. So Imight be wrong about that. So maybe, if you ever do a revamp of this episodeand say a few years I'll, SOM back and say, wow threedits is one FIEMM. Ican't believe a wait so long to see, but I just don't think that will happenat wed. Go with three idiots. You might really like it. I found it surprisinglyclever a film with quite a bit of heart in there it's about Hes, guys searchingfor a friend Whos, going missing from his universitydays and his friemds ASE,actually quite clever, and all these...

...different ways to you know get back atuniversity professors and different boys in the school and just a veryinventive and interesting character, and it's just interesting seeing someof the things they got up to and some of the mischief along the way youremindeded me a little bit of eithe hangover a little bit trying to findthis lost friend, and I was really surprised by it and maybe because I wasexpecting it to be really serious expecting to be idiotic. It's e titlebased in the front cover really banged by expectations. I mean it's not one ofthe two hundred and fifty best film as ever made the one of the top twohundred and fifty best comedies ever made. No possibly I'd say possibly forthat one I it definitely as a fairly enjoyable film and I found a lot moretolerable than maybe some the other longer films in the IMDB top Orandfifty alsos. I might be more open to seit now, even though I'm also not amassive fan of the hanger franchise. Aloit is one more franchise, but havincredibly, happy haven't seen, never saw single fim from is twilight a know. TheFIM is dropping from. You know the public contestes now that that Statonwon mean much anymore, but I'm just so so happy. I never got forced intoseeing that series and on that remark I think o'r ready to close verything uphere. So thank you for listening and Tuns agansered. You have been listening to talkingimages official PODCAST OF ICMFORUSCOM.

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