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Episode 5 · 2 years ago

Unwatched Gems or Carefully Avoided Trash

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

What is the main reason you would not watch a film?

Are there any films you actively avoid?

Are there any films you are embarrassed to not have seen?

In this episode we will answer the above questions and more, and dive deeper into the psychology that goes into not actually seeing a film.

You are listening to talking images, the official PODCAST THEM ICM Forumcom. Welcome back everyone, I'm Chris, and today we have something a little bit strange for you. Will actually talk about films we haven't seen. Why do we do that and what's the value of this? Well, for one, in last episode we discovered that Saul has not yet seen seven Samurai and I want an episode. We could shame him for forty minutes to an hour. But it goes a little bit deeper than that. There's actually lot of psychology and preference is going into what we see and what we don't, and today we'll look into the ladder. We will explore why we shoot not to see certain films and perhaps, I we actively avoid them. It will also die a little bit deeper, interviewing habits and see if anything changed over the years in terms of what the shoes to see and what we don't. And to end it on a lit bit of a controversial note, we will tell you about some films were actually really happy we haven't seen clam. Saul and Tom are back once again and for the very first time. I also extremely happy to introduce Ulah and Urda can introduce himself and also answered my very first question. What is the main reason why will not te a film, especially if that film in some way is notable take it away? Woln, yeah, so I'm only on me. I am thirty. We're sold from Norway. Originally, I first pursued a career in biology, but decided to move into cinema studies and I'm currently doing my second year of PhD in Cinema Studies in accord. But the main reason I will not see a films for me, I will actively try to avoid films by directors are under some kind of criminal controversy. Let's see, for example, Roman Polonski as less to do a sort of active behavior from my sight. They on twitter. You have things like cancel culture and so on, but for me it's more to do with that. It will color my viewing of it too much knowing that their director is under some kind of controversy in the media. So I feel like it's not fair to tell out of cloud hanging over it. I did actually watch the most recent land skivel I accused in the cinema before covid nineteen happened, and I really regretted it. Could not see that's the film as anything other than always me commentary. I think himself as a victim. But there's of course so much more to that film, actually the acting and staging, but I just struggle to enjoy it. I feel, for me at least, that I must wait until the star settled, and some moving so fast it becomes history right fast. So I guess I'll be all able to enjoy films by blond ski or you seek or maybe even what they are in a few years. All this. That's one question, though. How are you reacting to all their bolongs? You fail to rewatch them, or do you just avoid them as well? Yeah, I want them as well, because I am I just think of Oh, here's maybe some evidence something in their personality, of Psyche, or I do avoid that clam colors. Why you will not watch a film? Everyone my name is Clem on, twenty five from friends now I think it's interesting question, but obviously asked it myself and I realize that they were not very much reason I would avoid watching a film. I side asking myself also the question why would I watch a film, and realize that the reason why I would watch a film and the reason why I wouldn't watch a film are very similar and mostly the same. There are two main reasons I came up with, the first one beings with director. My reasons are a little bit different than only. I not really interested in the private life, let's say, and many affairs that could surround someone. I prefer...

...to focus on what is doing as an art form, and this goes for films and but also for music, books and so on. But I can definitely understand someone experience being tinted by what's going on in his personal life. Director. Well, it's simply if I enjoyed or didn't enjoy a film, more films, but I someone. It will influence my choice. The second reason I came up with is, well, simply the story. It's the story doesn't appe able to me at all. It will influence my choice on seeing it or not seeing it. It's Tom here from England, so mainly reason you'll not see a film. For me, this is quite an interesting one because I feel like I've got a high tolerance for watching adds to average films, perhaps because I love the horror genre and films that fall into that category, obviously aside from the great ones. So because I'm quite a forgiving viewer. There's not much that I tend to avoid, but the main reason that I would not see a film is probably because of Adam Sandley. If he's in a film, then chances are I'm not going to touch it at all. There are actually two exceptions to this. There's always an exception to a rule, because he was brilliant in uncut gems and punch drunk love, but I found that his roles in comedies, where he just recycles the same character, they really don't work for me and it's kind of depressing to see him perform so well in these excellent serious roles. Bought not do them so often because I feel that there's a great actor liking in there, but so often he just tends to deliver the he's awful comedies that are obviously successful for him, but it's a shame that he's not focusing on aspect of his career. That one that I appreciate that as a ship, had passed the commentary through thought, because I think you completely right there. Also avoid Adams and Dard almost anything, but since it has this urge that this wants a dey kid or twice any kid, he wants to prove that he's a good actor and he does it like we can go back to point trunklow. We can also see rain over meet with was ASCID, that is rather than really high quality performance, and of course again with UCR camp, which honestly updates it might be best performance of last year. It was just a spectacular performance. So yeah, sounder again in the great actor but usually absolutely terrible. And I suppose the person to conclude our opening round tall was also the person who started all of this. So they've headed yourself full. Why, having not yet seen Seven Samurai? I'm so. I'm thirty three years old from Australia. I've been watching films for nineteen years, while somehow managing to avoid seven Samurai. Before I get to that, I just thought I might react to some of the other comets from other people. Thought it was interesting about plant ski was mentioned, Bout Woody Ellen other directors, because, like Clem, I try and say films separate to the directors are maybe really divorce myself from their private life while watching it. If I do see their private life come through, it, actually find it more intriguing. Like a lot of plants Ki's films are very paranoia related. For a good reason and I think this creates great paranoia films because of, I guess, stuff that I'm that's happened to personally, Adam Sandler. Yeah, actually like him as an actor in general. I think he does go for a lot of bottom fodder roles. He doesn't show of his potential, but it's not just uncut gems and hunch drug love and ran over me. And think your films like Spanglish, which he did around sixteen years ago, very strong performance in that, and even...

...in films like can't mess with the Zo had is going to very dynatic. Personally, is actually channeling Sasha Baron Cohen a bit in that film and it's got a lot of potential there. But I just gets squandered over, I guess, the stuff which is made box office draw and I recently saw fifty one dates with a minute, which I guess he's playing much of the same character as usual. But I thought I was actually a surprisingly decent film. I don't want to be a whole Adam Sandler rat conversation. So getting back to why I wouldn't watch films, the main thing I'd actually put down his subject matter sizes for Seven Samurai, which I'm haven't watched yet because I'm not really into Samurai films. Just thinking of films like a hundred and twenty seven hours by Danny Boyle with James Franco in it, star up with his arm in the side of the cliff, or Molson. I'm thinking, all why do I actually want to see that? I sort of know what will happen. I've been told what happens in it. While do I want to watch that for ninety two, hundred and twenty minutes? Also films like I'm more by Michael Hannaka, is one of my favorite directors. But just know what the films about, you know, caring for this old dying woman. Get it something which I don't think I would get much enjoy mornal pleasure or fulfilm and out of seeing and just some other stuff. Also like active killing, about celebrating different ways of killing, or birth of the nation, the one thousand nine hundred and fifteen film about I'm highlighting the achievements of the KKK. The subject matter really gets to me. But big killer would be subject matter plus length. Seven Samurai. It's about Samurais, which does interest me and it's close to four hours long. I'm in. They're sorry, guys. For the reason why I might avoid films is if I know the ending or over the twist. Something like the crying game. I know one of the people, doll, twists on there. So I haven't actually seen that and that night there. There are some films, like White Heat, films like film and Louise that actually do get enhanced if you do know the ending. But generally if I know the ending on twist to come, it's really hard to motivate myself to watch the film. Also if I haven't seen the original film in a while or sometimes wouldn't actually want to sit down and see it, like brighter Frankenstein. I haven't seen that yet because I haven't seen the origional Frankenstein and fifteen years or the like. Jean go and chain by Tarantino actually avoided for years because I actually thought it was related to the original Jango film. Wasn't so realized that it wasn't that I actually did end up watching it. I'm curious. You A you're avoiding Samurai films. What about marshal art films or action films in general? So something about Amurai and start out of uninteresting to you or I'm not sure what. I'm not sure it is about somewhere films, and they've been big into the action genre in general. So in the last couple of years I've really got into Kung Fu and martial arts films, which are very kinetic and there's lots of, you know, hand to hand combat and real action films, like with guns and shooting and all that. I've never really been much of a fan of. Never really seen the art to stray in that. I've never really captivated me that much. I guess I've just got a really slow progressor along terms of action films, and maybe I'll get to Samurai films eventually. I mean, you know, I've seen a few and other than Jo Jimbo, which I know as a Coroso film, other than that none of them have really done much for me so far. Just a pull of that, though. Do you like Western films? Okay, that's interest because I've got the Weston's challenge going on on their form at the moment and I've been saying a lot of really lousy, B grade Western's. Yeah, Western's. There are definitely some. I like a lot, some you know like less. So No, more, no less, than the average genre out there. Summary in Westerns are essentially they're said in dedicate characteristics are so similar that major Suri films, including seventh summer I and do you both got large Western remakes because the teams, the title conflict and the type of characters, and there's anarios in the world stree...

...in in so many ways overlaps. It's just interesting that we like one more or less the same ass other tender us but the other not at all. I don't know really about Western's. I'd have got into them much more recently, in the past three or four years drought participating in the challenges and the ICM forum. But before industring with the ICM form, I probably wouldn't have saying more than maybe fifty or eighty Weston's. I've seen over two hundred, so I've become exposed to more on recent years. So maybe it's just something that I'm gradually catching up with. And I suppose I also have to answer this question. It's a little bit of a hard one because I am a bit for a complete is at heart. So let little look at recent films from any given year. I will usually try to watch all the films that in some way have received recognition, and then they's have to look at what degree of recognition. So you have like the films that pop up and almost every single top ten lists like a gardless of what I believe I'll feel about the film, I will watch it simply because I want to be part of that conversation about this, just those films. They also think it's really interesting to go into a film I don't necessarily like, but to be able to dissect Hya didn't like it and be able to also disgust that with other people. But but then there's also a drop off right, in which case it will usually be the director. So if I've had experience that director and know that director is not that interesting to me, I usually about that film. Are usually at least not see that film. Unlike cool, I don't really struggle to divide art from artists. So I will still see recent films by Pelanski and I would have seen reason films from the island if they weren't so poor. So if I look at one point, a lot of director would always be interested to fold that directly see of the beginning and see how they am and this follow that journey but some directors would the on in particular, this seemed to slow down the overall quality of the output. This just feel particularly good, like, I guess. So one of these recent ones with Jaseie Eisenberg and Christmas steward, I don't even remember its name anymore, and it was just thing, yes, yes, exactly, confess society, and it's just so false, like it's just so that can be good, like you can't have this false, strange vision of a time. I can work really, really well, but here it just felt largely empty. There's some good humor there, there's some things that work, but it just doesn't feel like the work of a great director. That's usually why I drop off these days. Christ be seeing a rational man by woody Allen. They came out a year before cafe society. Slow down watching with the ALN film, after Blue Desmonds, I think go on seven one or two of his films after that. Before that does seem absolutely everything, but after that it is realized that it wasn't really making films over that interested in, because irrational man's actually extremely interesting film. It's all about morality, about what you can get away with. It follows a lot of his recurring themes, while from time to Mr beanus through to match point, through the scoop with a lot of things about ethics. It's an extremely interesting film with a really Great Pfluence by Joaquin Phoenix in it and I would highly recommended and I would still see all modern allen films, even though it's a bit uneven. I found the last ten years he does one great film, the one not so great film. Would say every second film he does or has been doing lately as actually been really good. That's a good recommenation polls, but doesn't it I seek out the rush, commm another thing that's really shamee for me is that I used to be former interested in the broader social conversations of films as well. So I would ask what, essentially anything that would would be of note, like including transformers are including all of the reason top blockbusters, simply so I could also discussed those films. And I think that over the years, especially as I...

...got less and less time to see films, that you started to become increasingly picky, and that also ties into, say, Academy Award Nominations, where I actually didn't see Green Book until a couple of months ago and that won the award simply because, and agree, book was not the field that would be overly interesting to me. I think that's also one thing that changed. They be inhabits that that has been become a bit more picky and I don't feel like you need to participate in every single conversation, even though I'm still a bit of a completist. This ties us into the next offic as well. How have your viewing habits change? The same pattern that did earlier. So starting with Ula, then clamp done tom and then soul. And the answer the question, how has your viewing habits change? If they have ever been in to Scos, some block pust or sometimes like that. But I did go down that room of trying to top fifty. I found the makers that by my interest and then I delved into them. Last few years I've less focused on narrative, anema. It has become less important to me. I've grown incasingly fond of experimental films or films that occurs on almonds or feelings, trying to test what film miss and what it is capable of clam my viewing a bit suddenly really changed over the years. I think as we mentioned before. When people got into cinema were at least when we did. We side working on the Imdbat up to fifty and for some maybe started watching the most popular film, the biggest films of the year, as Chris mentioned. For me I was never particularly interested in checking out those films. I do check and out occasionally, but most of the time it's not the film that appeared to me the most and I always find there's other films are more interested in. So I tend to watch them, but usually years later and some some of them I've never seen to this day, which I think will discuss later on. So, overall, I think when people try to keep up with what's popure and get a new worlds or in the general public, it's also because they want to well be able to discuss cinema will people around them. I never really felt this need and never really had the opportunity either in real life. I'm in until they see him forum. Keeping up was never really something I tried to do, thanks clad to so unlike clam, I think that my view empriorities have changed somewhat. I used to try to keep up with new releases like Christed, basically in my early S I used to review films for a few kinme outlets and I kind of had it in my had to be a well rounded critic. I wanted to see the majority of the new releases and keeping talk to if what was popular in a main stream cinema. As I moved away from that, I decided to pursue primarily areas of film a specifically enjoy. So obviously horror is one of my main priorities and I now tend to focus on completing lists like the lists on our check movies, where I know that the quality of films it's going to be a a certain level that will be satisfactory with my viewing habits, as opposed to keeping up with the mainstream blot buses, which are entertaining and have their place, and I do still seek out the ones that did interest me, bought not so much as I used to. Thank so I am my viewing habits have changed quite significantly over the nearly two decades that I've been watching films. Oh, probably similar to Tom I would have started from one point where was more mainstream films, also, I guess, the bigger films. Then I...

...would have branched out from there. So I first started off by using Hollywell's film guide. I would go and try and find the three in the four staff films available. Some of the holes that I have in my movie viewing not so much seven Samurai, but things like Robert Bresson films, are because those are never I was never able to get in my early years as a cinema goer. Over time my taist as also narrow down a bit. Like Tom I'm really into horror like, although I actually am interest did an experimental cinema, not stuff like dog, star man, stand breakage. I actually really can't stand that. The structureless filmmakers are hors Frampton, Michael Snow I really like some of the stuff they've done. Since my film tast is actually narrowed over the last nineteen years. It's got to the point more. Yes, you've got these Robert Bresson films available to me now, but now I'm no longer interested in seeing that. I'm interested in seeing more horror films. I'm interested in seeing or personal identity films. I'm interested in seeing or dramas where you're not sure that somebody seeing something is real or not. I taste have changed and because my tastes have changed by a viewing parties have changed, and I think that's why I got a lot of things which I'm avoided because when I was first getting into cinema I was never able to experience them then, and now it's like I could experience them now or I could actually watch some horror films which I know I'm really going to like and which I'm really curious to actually check out. Well, thank you so and I guess that destroys our hope of a Robert Bresson podcast as well. So the Dactas aren't to the probably most fun question into this podcast. So Sol has ended our data a little bit already of which films were a little bit embarrassed that they haven't seen yet. So if you don't have any films you're actually embarrassed stuff, you can simply name some of the films if you feel that you probably should have seen already, and we can start Umm again. As I mentioned earlier, my viewing a bit haven't reached and over the years and I've well, I've never really been interested in keeping up with the most popular films. So the biggest goals, that's say in my viewing experience are the films that are, well, the most popular box office films that everyone, I've seen, which is quite a problem because it's becoming tougher to talk about films or even say that you do like films when you meet someone for the first time, because usually ask you about films and like yeah, I haven't seen that one, I don't want its in that one and yeah, they problem most of the Times is just wondering why what you could yourself, you know, movie loving, if you haven't seen all the marvel films and stuff like that. Well, not unashamed of notes. I've seen them, of course, but it's a conversation killer. Let's say the biggest films. I haven't seen all the most called popular films from the S. I wrote down a few dirty dancing, dancing with wharves, the mask you, Mengi like big popular film from the s that I never really watched when I was a kid or teenager and that now we all don't don't really appeared to me. There are also a lot of the recent Oscar winners that I haven't seen. I think the most recent one I've seen most burdening, which I actually liked. There are also, of course, all the all time box office biggest hit. I haven't seen and I think the film that the most a shame not having seen, despite having seen the first one, the second one and the fourth one, is shrink story. The strictree is fill the most embassacy. Okay, let's continue the conversation over to Ulah. I'm teaching ill in university and think it's two films for me. One is the birds, Alfred Hitchcock film, because instantly referenced in Film Literature, and the same with in birth to the the Vitorio de Sicca, especially the scene with the made can coffee,...

...constantly being referenced by and terrorists such as Reba, suns, the the loose. Or when it comes to the birds, have this mental image that it is a very annoying to listen to, seeing of sounds of birds that are up to new good and from people I've heard talking about it, they have said that it's a bit of a disappointing chcock film. However, I have, for some reason and time alive, to watch the terrible picat bird may one the worst films I ever seen, but for some reason I've seen bodmic and not birds, but that it makes it even more shameful. Unless it is put like this. The noisince those birds make are far more annoying. Is that is good to hear. I should should definitely try to make time for the birds also. I'm about to the I'm sure I like the film. I think you're really missing out on much with the birds. As a narrative, the narrative is actually highly unsatisfying. I found of seeing it a couple of times, maybe three times. Its early resolve and he doesn't provide any answers. As an exercise in editing, though, it's actually really great if you actually break it down to the reaction shots in the way hitchcock cuts to the birds and cuts back to the lead actress's face and then back again set some lots of tension. I've actually used at myself or storyboards from it. I've taught editing at a very basic primary school level. But it's a good film from that point of view, technically, but I think as a narrative you not really missing out on a lot and I wouldn't give it. Wouldn't make it one of hitchhocks top ten films or anything. I don't want to legged after birds too much because I didn't actually think it was a great film. I haven't re watched it and it wasn't that strong on the rewasions. Wasn't original viewing, probably because on the original viewing of was some more caught up in the atmosphere, which is really, really well done. Sangree with saw some things that the narrative is not fantastic, but as well crafted film it does really well. It also has a lot of mystery and a lot of tension that I think it's even made strong about the fact that it's not really resolved in question. Regarding on Bodadi, it's to a particular reason why you haven't seen again, since you're so embarrassed that they haven't seen it, and I have you seen all their films by vitrity Zeca and but enjoyed them. Or is there another reason? I've seen all our film, Spider Director, and I mean bicycle tie, says p think. I think it's that I have this until image of scene with the maid making coffee or clearly in my mind that time. I'm worried that when I see it that I want much of it. I've not seen that money and narrow earlist of films in the last few years. I am guessing it's time for curates for me, for myself, some program and watch more of them, including birth to they and I think you'll really enjoy it too, because it's it means. Its not about the maid. It's probably one of the molds the pressing films ever made, with just incredibles under performance and I really cute dog. It's a lot to make you feel very sad, but let's take this conversation over to so for me, the film and most embarrassed for not seeing is probably and Akira cus our film, the Hidden Fortress. Now I love all the other cuss our films that I've seen. For some reason I've just never got round to this one. And funny that this is the one that I haven't seen because I know that the storyline was a huge inspiration for George Lucas on star wars and when I was growing up star wars was one of my favorite film. So really this should be a high priority for me, but, as is the case for so many films, they often just slip through the cracks and you forget about them. What hopefully, I will get around to watching this someday soon. It's really interesting because often not I've seen in just my personal you of it, even though I think it is a gay film,...

...is that it's probably one of his lightest as well. It doesn't really have the clouds or the heaviness or cinematic proverbs of, say, Russian Mong or seventh summer, etcetera, but it's definitely well a view. And that leads us on to Saul. Thought this is a really interesting question. When Chris put it out before up the episode, he want us to think about films that were embarrassed about never having seen. I don't know if whatever quite use that word, like I mentioned previously or earlier on in the podcast, as films I just haven't seen because maybe they weren't available. Thing when I was first getting into cinema. Now I'll sort of refine my taste a lot. So this films are just naturally and picked up and haven't gotten around to. It does sometimes get a bit aucurring conversations, especially when people know you're in real life know that you've seen age or nine thousand films that you like. Move is lot and they mentioned something and I have to go or well, I've never seen brave heart, for instance, or something like that. So you always get a little bit awkward, but there's always I find a reason for me. I like I said earlier on with some of the films I mentioned, like a more by Michael Hannaker, and how I look at them and go, while it's going to be like really sad and depressing, I don't want to see that. Don't want to see James Franco hanging off a mountain for Um bells trying to get his arm off for he does you know what with it. Oh, I would say it's not quite embarrassing for me, it's more the case of it does sometimes lead to a little bit of awkwardness. Then a lot of people, I guess, don't really realize how many films are out there, especially we are really into cinema. Brilliant like comes up in conversation ever becomes an issue. And then just look at how broad cinema is at the moment and just all the different other avenues to explore. I could just go through the they shoot pictures top one thousand, or I could actually go expoling off niche bits of African cinema or Latin American cinema, as I've done for the ICM forum challenges, and I'd rather be doing that and going through one particular list. I think that it's funny you mentioned the Orchard Conversations with people that consume that you mostly popular films there. So, because I had one the other day where one of my friends was asking for my thoughts on the new Godzilla film and then they were surprised that I didn't have any because I hadn't seen it. And we're also surprised that I hadn't seen in the previous in creation, and then we're dumb founded that the only one had seen was the one thousand nine hundred and fifty four original. I'd agree with that a lot. Tom I find also with things like marvel movies. People talk to me about that. I'm like, well, I haven't actually seen anything other than guard ins of the galaxy, because the rest of it doesn't look particularly good, though I know the stuff like or Ragnar Rock, which is from the director of Joe Rabbin. When I was first talking about Jojo Rabbitt, person next to me was saying or what's from the Director of that thor movie? I'm like, Oh, I know, it's from the director of we do in the shadows or the hunt for the world of people, but I don't really associate with those sort of bigger films. I watched most of the marvel are not missing out on anything at all. I watch them soda and people ask me about them abs usually it's quite negative. Nothing else I put out. There's some people do like to call me a film SNOB for not watching certain films the way they look. It is that there's thousands and thousands of films out there. It's come to the stage in the journey I've been watching films for nineteen years. I know what's likely to appeal to me more and I would much rather focus on that at the moment. But you know, probably going to listen of the nineteen years ahead of me and during that time things might change. You know, it's interesting. So I decide do not the maries the about any of the films they haven't seen, because at least there's one film. It's not the whole the from them really really getting in their birth I haven't got around to yet,...

...and that is twin peaks return and he his PA. An excuse for that because I love David Lynch and I loved with Pats and I remember when waiting for it every since it was announced and preparing to start watching it when it was coming on DV and it wasn't shown in my country at the time. So I decided to wait until, you know, it was all done and I could see all of it in one go, and then I didn't. I still haven't and besides being, I guess, around seventeen hours long, I just don't have any excuse for ad whatsoever. And another relatively longer miniseries that I know if you get around to is mysteries of Lisbon, which you know keeps just topping end of a decade lists and it's just so respect them on so many people and I see the screen shots and it looks skin and the beautiful and I get this is just the case of it's relatively long and I just don't have that close life connection to the films of the direct so I would say those are probably the two most embarrassing films on me. Oh and then is remember one more, which is winter sleep. That's again this because I haven't seen a lot of ceiling films, as I haven't seen climates, I haven't seen the wild pear tree and that's probably one of the major directors. I really really need to see him more films from nothing in missing on too much with mysteries of Lisbon. It does look really goodeous. It's a gorgeous looking film. I found a real short to get through and I can't quite remember why I watched on the first place, but it was definitely not as good as I was hoping it to be. We're, it's say, are definitely missing out on and picks the return. Have to watch it. I ISS it. Are you worried at your expectations are too high? It's that a reason? Are you haven't watched it yet? It might be, it might be part of it, but, like I guess I don't know. I I think I'm pretty convinced that I love it. I'm pretty that come inside of it. So if while, then my play a tiny part of it. I really do think it is just setting aside of seventeen hours and they just need to start doing that right away. The one thing I did think was interesting earlier this conversation is the IMDB top to fifty, because in the very first episode you all talked about how massive that I meet up the fifty wasn't getting us in the film. I mean most of US repeated it in this episode as well. Yet I think that list has dropped in most of our appreciation. So I think would be really, really fun if you'll open that list up and there's shack quickly how many films we haven't seen from that yet. So I used to be proud of completing the IMDBAT top to fifteen. Would actually try and much every new film that entered it. But have you inhabits change, it's become less of a priority. So for me it's now at two hundred and thirty five the films that I've seen and this fifteen on checked and mainly new releases. Would films that have entered over the past few years as almost identify number to me. So I have three hundred and twenty four film checked and it's pretty much the same thing new releases that I just didn't get around including. Well, that's actually quite tropping, which you know if it has seen me through, I guess for that add to the list of film Sim embarrassed to not have seen it. As all. I've seen two hundred and two out of two hundred fifty of the current IMDB top fifty. Don't know if it's actually a list that I was ever too interested in getting into cinema. I mean, I did refer to a look at it a little bit, but I think I guess from early on already knew that it was always had a few spect choices in there. But it's interesting that people complain about a lot of the suspect choices these days, but someone were actually really good, because the recent Danish film in they called the invisible guests, which actually is really good. It's not two hundred fifty of all time good, but you know either as American history acts...

...or other films that are in there, and even things like three idiots. Okay, it's not one of the top two hundred and fifty films. Ever, maybe it actually is a really funny film, a lot of heart to it. Also, I'm not seeing our Indian blockbusters and a lot of films have been all our Oscar nominees. Of you bothered about watching them, skeptical to list nowadays. I guess that makes me a bit of a sob. Suppose we're all snobs now. Yeah, I do want to try one of those blockbuster just to see what it's, like I heard the ad for critics seems to be a bise. We all find good ones. List that I've seen two hundred and two films out of Phn of fifty right now, just like soul despise being the first list I worked on. I actually never completed it. It's something I was planning to do, but I never really got around to doing it. I think it's one of my room term goal to one time at least a platinum and on this list, but never really got around to it so far. But I was an interesting trip down memory lane, wasn't it? Remember also working on this list so much I think I forgot my Amni profilesy, you know that little minutroll fever. No, checked two thousand and four lists, check two thousand and five lists, check two thousand and six list, and that's some point. It is started things. Too many films on that list that I just didn't really have a massive interest for and was even bit diverse two and then slowly I stopped working on it. But tying us over to the other second the last topic, which is what are some films that you avoided watching or waited to watch for a very, very long time and was then just blown away and incredibly pleasantly surprised this could believe you had waited so long to finally see. And we can start with clean. I don't know if I should be speaking about this one, because I try to think about it and I couldn't sign any films. I think this shows a man with a sense of I already so well done. Clans mentioned earlier that he did not stand wreckage. Would say there are two films by stand wreckage that I put off for the longest time because of their content. They are about this window water baby moving going up closed birth of his daughter, and the other one is backed up seeing with one's own ice main autopsy or put off these films because I was worried I could not handle seeing these things on camera. They seemed like very difficult films. I'm glad I chose to them earlier this year. Had in them on list and writings for us to a decade. I just found them very beautiful. Actually. Window water baby moving, Richard I founder were touching film on birth. Also found that both films really brought home side. I stand wreckage of the values of King for the unto child eye and or his ideas that when we look at something act instively by grouping it. We already know you think of Birtha something bit more romantic and less messy, but this sorting mechanism in our brain probably tries to yield some images away from us just sous not to look at birth and death in a way, as in these two films by wreckage earth, as well, as that is more beautiful in our heads perhaps, or turn I'll stops is are real things. I in a way harder to look at actually these films. They are silent to because, on seeing, are not only beautiful, but I also just something not being afraid of these aspects, example in act of seeing with once on's eyes, seeing their still daily life, of some people are doing autopsies. I think also what got out...

...of these things that I've been dreading for so long to watch. I think it's so interesting that we're bring a positives two films, because I also waited with seeing them, not necessarily because of their contents, but just because I had some less pleasant experiences with stand wreckage. I'm not a polically big fan of Dog Star Man, for instance, and that put me off seeing some of his long and short for a long time. Both of these two films instantly became favorite for me. Thor just mentioned with our window water baby moving that I did actually I've seen that and I did like it and it's quite different to something like dogster man, because you've got a real sense of things going on there. It's just the randomness of dog star man that really put me off and has put me off some of the other breckage films that I've seen, and that's why I saying I prefer something like Zorn's Lemma or wavelength in terms of experimental cinema, because it seems to have a purpose and it's actually doing something. Wave length this more of a structural experiment, Anti as Sun. It has a bit of our narrative. I love Michael Snow so about that on another podcast sometime. And and I would say that although records is in theory more playful, like he's a playful film, like place with a cellar laid because no, it was more funny. I would say is quite a funny filmmaker. Yeah, I agree about snows films being very funny, especially so. Is this the one way to see one word very one second every two seconds? That's incredibly funny things like Corpus Colossom, where it's constantly putting like film form on its head. It's also, yeah, very funny and you're auth on all the snows films to be extremely playful. Even stuff like back and forth, where keeps going back and forth and suddenly see something different, just really toys and plays with our expectations as a film going and I really like that about what I've seen from his work. A great discussion that we can move with. Aren't what film starm is embarrassed he hasn't get seen. One of the films that I held out for the longest was open your eyes by Howie Andrew. I'm in a bar now. The reason for this was the fact that I saw vanilla sky, he remake, quite early film watching experiences, and it didn't really resonate with me. I was kind of disappointed at it been hyped up by some people and close to me to be this great thing that it perhaps wasn't, and for that reason I decided that the original was not worth seeking out. Now, I watched it only a few months back and it blew me away. I thought it was a masterful head trip, perhaps even the director's greatest accomplishment, tangles with notions of reality, dreams of immortality and perceptions of identity to deliver one hall of an enigma. It channels the trauma and paranoia of John Frankenheimer is seconds with a bold narrative flourish, perhaps not too far removed from the mind bending approach Christopher Nolan applied to storytelling. Momentum, and it leaves you longing to revisit the film once you've uncovered all the secrets contained within its perplexing yet wholly satisfying labyrink freen storyline. And for me that was a great experience that I kind of wish I'd seen earlier, but at the same time I was so happy that I did eventually decide to seek it out. Interestingly, I had a similar experience to Tarma with vanilla sky and open your eyes. Saw Vanilla sky very close to when it came out, probably in two thousand and two, two thousand and three. It was a big film that time. It got, to think and Oscar nomination for their song and a sad nomination for acting, so was quite a big film there. When actually sort of thing or stuid actually did to my young mind back then. I guess I was for your teen or sixteen. It did kind of blow away a little bit and because of that I actually avoided open your eyes for least ten years. After...

...that time, actually sat down and watch open your eyes because I actually had been so long, did like it quite a bit more than I was expecting to. It's just interesting that I avoid it for the exact same reason. I ended up avoiding it, and so's throwing that that is the realized that, yeah, I still haven't seen open your eyes, and yes, they have quite embarrassed not to have seen a dead nice drug. Back to the last topic that takes us arm to solve, I think I'll current topic is about films that we've avoided but we're happy that we finally saw them, and one of them, going back to our podcast from last week, we all delighted about how much we loved our clockwork orange it's influence on our lives. I saw a clockwork orange at a quite tender age of remembers, about fifteen or sixteen, and film singing in the rain from a clock clock orange and associating with that scene, I was like, I don't know, can havever ceasing in the rain actually did it until very recently, I'd say maybe about six or seven years ago, actually finally sat down and saw singing in the rain and liked it a lot and I've watched it many times since and I think I've actually seen it five times now, which is a lot over right six or seven year period. It's good, though, that I avoided in the rain and I didn't see it early on in my film going journey because it's about silent films and silent cinema and before I just with the ICM forum, I'd probably only seen maybe thirty or forty silent films. In the time since I've seen lot and lot and a lot more, and when I first was getting into cinema, the only silent films that I knew about were nos Farato and, I think, metropolis. I think had I seen singing in the rain with only those two films as my background, I don't think would have liked so much. Like think I was actually good that I've ordered it for a few years and seeing more silent films made has made me appreciate it more. What's going on there from a narrative point of view. Were another film which are also avoided for quite a while for a reason which I haven't mentioned yet. One of my reasons why I also sometimes avoid films is because if they seem gimmicky, though I know that's not really great reason, but things like boyhood from Richard Link later I still haven't seen that. I'm like, it just seems, you know, Gimmick. That's going to film a little bit here, there and there. Another film which choice dropped me is very gimmicky, was Dogville from Las von Trier, and it first came out in two thousand and three it was discussed a lot in the IMD message boards. Gone Tree of films that I'd seen back then were films like the idiots, which I thought was fairly idiotic. I'm sorry to say that was one was like, okay, film without sets, yeah, whatever, doesn't really interest me. Only recently in the last six months of actually sat down and like Dogville and I liked it and it was really interesting having with no sets in there and very pleased that I saw. But also in the time since then I's a lot more of entreer films. If things seem things like the House of Jack Built troper in a lot of other things that von Trier has done, which I think is also helped me saying that with a little bit of a delay, but it's just interesting as another film that I did avoid the quite a bit, but I'm very happy that I finally saw its one to have the dog really is, all some one of my very favorite films. I would love to discuss that one that more Ling had the later point. Does anyone else want to say anything about this topic? Quite interesting that Adam, who is the producer, one of the CO producers of this podcast as well as the personally set up the forum, actually told me before that he's watched boyhood specifically because of the Gimmick. As some film goers, I guess, attracted by Gimmicks, others are put off by them. That's just really interesting. Just in the whole scope of war, we might avoid a film or while we might go out of our way to see a film. I think boyhood works well because of the given I mean the actual story it tells is very straightforward and would have been perfect and possible, perfectly good film on his own. That I think, when you know more about the project,...

...how much went into it, then also see how each section in this story was more or less organically written as a project over some of the years. It adds more to it and makes it better. This is probably one of most a few films, in my mind, where the gimmick in many ways makes it the more interesting project in its own right. The film that I want to present to this the film that just blew me away. It's also film the ties in with podcast that's coming out soon. It's not our next one, but the one right after that, which is our podcast Eric Romer's comedies and proverbs, psycho, the aviator's wife, and this is a film that just took me years and years and years to get around to it. The reason for that is that up until this point Romer was a rather hit and miss director for me. I loved some of his films, but others just didn't work on that level because it I wasn't on his wavelength. I didn't quite understand what he was trying to do, and I suppose that even had his idea to day with his wife. What's about naviator's wife? It was and was a film about some marriage of a kind. Of this didn't have any interest in the film. I didn't know anything about the film and because it didn't have a close relationship to Romer and never really cheering to look into it, but then I saw it and ironically, this is the film that just opened up roamer for me completely. I felt that I got stuck into what he was trying to do, the multiple levels, since film works both a satire and comedy and as commentary, and all of the things finally came together for me, including the way he stylizes his films, and it also set me on a yearning to watch as many your over films I could. And Yeah, that this is the film that literally opened up Romer and made me love ere with Romer. So it's probably the majeure woe. Why didn't I see that before film in my life? Or perhaps it just came around at the right time in my life as well, perhaps this was the time when my days that have been changed until I was on Romer's way of length when you never know either way, but that was such an interesting new to me, and I've seen so many other romers since, and almost all of them for films I either loved or taught her great so I just want to thank that film for do that for me. Not actually seeing me theator's wife put giving you talk about it so passionately doesn't spy me to watch it, and so that's another one that perhaps I've put off a long time. They may hopefully blame me away. I've seen all the films of fuzz is cycled by Romer, but it was two years ago so I don't remember much from them, but I intend to rewatch them all for the podcast in two weeks. And the editor's wife and the green way were the two films of the psycho I preferred, and overall I like Roman's films. So I really can't wait to rewatch them all and then discuss them with you guys in two weeks. And with that self promotion out of the way, let's take it down to the conclusion. Here we actually talked about a couple of films feel really, really happy we haven't seen yet, and we can take it back to clean just like the other questions. I thought about it before making this podcast, and well, their films are will probably never see because they do not appeal to me story wise or because of the way the film is made them. I think the films I'm mostly happy I haven't seen. All right, Shui Films I know I will enjoy, films by directors I like or films that really really appeal to me that I know are therefore a special occasion, for special day or when, whenever I want to watch a good film, I know it's there. Older my answer to this question is be a bit boring me. It's just that I'm waiting for a better copy to...

...be available, and it's really happy. You mentioned waiting for films to come out in better quality, because that's just what I did with brighters every day. So you know that that was around just in this terrible, terrible condition, until Partai goes around for store it and it just looks beautiful now. So there's so happy. I waited say ten, twelve, thirty years when I first heard about it, until seeing it, because it really paid off. I don't this, of course, sometimes that don't know if there will be a better version. Should you wait decades? In decades it's obscure film that seems interesting but only exists at pre vhs. Does make difference when, I'm sorry, stored and stored. Well, okay, calm. I'm really happy that I haven't seen is the nine and a half hours documentary about the Holocaust called shower. Now I'm going to have to see this at some point because the film appears in the day shoot pictures, don't they list of the thousand greatest films, but it's one that I've been putting off for quite some time, obviously due to the run length and as I'm kind of a completest when you watch films, I don't really like watching them in part. So this would be one way I'd have to sit down and watch it, and as close to one sitting as possible, at least in the same day. But for now I'm going to pass on it and work on the other films on the list because I think it's a grueling experience that and perhaps not quite ready for yet. Different a different angle that I was expecting. So thank to Tom. It's truly interesting that Tom mentioned show are the nine hour holocaust film, because that's why I look at with film length and when I'm trying to really long film about something that I'm not interested in, I want to be able to give it that three or four hours if need be. Don't often watch films in one sitting, especially that they're really longer. I'm not embarrassed or shown by because it's just like reading a good novel. You can pick it up, do you? But another point. But I want to be able to give films that chats. They do grip me enough I can sit in in one viewing. So something like show, I would like to have the nine hours free to be able to watch it at once. It's not something that I think I would watch in nine hours at once and I saw I was really gripped to early entice fied. I'd like to be able to give it that opportunity. Terms of long films, though, that's the first thing that I thought about with the our topic of films that were happy that we've never seen as a number one one that has come up for me is empire. I Andy Wall Hole, the film I was static shot of the Empire State Building and apparently a person sleeping and seeing a couple of other wallow films or wallow Paul Morrissey films and very, very low down in my books. I recently saw lonesome cowboys. It she is a really terrible film. It's very poorly made. I think it's poorly made on purpose, with all the audio not properly recorded or all the jump cuts. I think it's on purpose to be subversive, but it's subversive and at last for an hour and forty five minutes. So it's like at first sight, loss is really cool wall holes to find all these conventions by the time you've watched an hour and forty five minutes, so that it's like pulling your hair out seeing that for that long. On that night. I'm happy that I haven't seen empire. I think it was once in the they shoot pictures top one thousand this that I'm never probably going to get a platinum on anyway, and I check movies. So it's a film that I don't need to see and know some people have seen it because I want to get a platinum on it and, as it was suggesting watching it on times seven speed, but I'm not going to do that. Doesn't really seem to me that's a proper way of experiencing a film. I couldn't I could sort of understand, but something like a James Benning film, not that I've done that. I mean usually the James Bending film will be doing something else at the same time, so it wouldn't...

...just be sitting glued to the screen with that. Yeah, in terms of fastporting through films. Yeah, I think you really get the quite at the same experience of it, unless it's something where there's maybe no dialog and no music and know anything. But yeah, it's just not the same as why the film was intended to be. I think I'm also extremely happy that they haven't seen the empire, to be honest, and I think I was always especially annoyed by popularity because it wasn't intended to be a standard film. I mean it is an art piece. That's was meant to be just be projected at parties and art shells. You weren't supposed to see all of it there. Now so many people are, in one way or another, forcing themselves to see this film to be the completely start to say hey, I've seen it, and it's just such a strange, strange thing to do, especially if you watch it then seven ex speed. But this really bizarre. So I'm actually if I ever actually wanted to see it that. I don't know. Maybe I try to do it as if it was an art show, you know, I put it on projected on the wall or they're putty down, put it on the TV and just walk around the other stuff. I think this will be the only fielm would ever be comfortable doing that to, like with that day spending from I will actually tried to be absorbed in and they oft man, but this empire, I just I don't know how to engage with that film or respected properly, which is why I just haven't seen it yet. Interesting point that Chris is mentioned about films and how they'll want to be seen and that I pile was never actually designed to me something we're going to sit for, you know, a whole day and just completely watch it, because you've got things like miniseries then. So it's not like funny Alexander, I have watched them a single sitting. If I'm looking at the miniseries version of it. It wasn't actually designed to be experienced that way. So then you go to really a film purest. You Watch a miniseries all at once. Do you break it up? The interesting questions and I would love to a podcast and a film purism and Tom's also interested in that. It's a topic which I would like to cover at some stage. A little bit disappointed. You guys are enough for a little bit of this, because we didn't get you know that Raunchy enjoyable feeling of wow, I haven't seen this. You we went the must more serious and good root with this. So I'll be depending one then. And there's say that there are so many films I haven't seen that I am again even the happy that I have not seen, like mentioned earlier, when I was watching the majority of films that reach some kind of height, including films like transformers. I guess want to say I'm so happy I stop that I'm so happy I haven't seen transformers for five, six, seven or ever far they've gotten into that franchise. I don't even know anymore. And I'm also incredibly happy that I stopped what the Hell's even called? Or the hunger games. I'm incredibly happy I stopped watching the hungry games that haven't seen the last films from that series either. Another series I'm really well and stopped right away, if the fantastic pece series. The first one was just abissible and that was just no point in continuing watching that. And in terms of slightly more respected films, and I know he said some nice words about itself, so I might actually change my mind on this. But most the main reasons why I never completed. I am bad of the fifty at one point. Again, was because films like Tree Idiots were landing on it and I was watching the first few films of this type E were landing there and I didn't enjoy them at all and I just use some of these companies with a lot of suspicion. I'm quite sure I want to enjoy it, though I might be wrong about that. So maybe if you ever do a revamp of this episode and say a few years, I'll go back and say, Wow, were idiots. It's one film I can't believe a wait so long to see, but I just don't think that would happen. We go with three idiots, you might really like it. I found it surprisingly clever film with quite a bit of hearts in there. It's about these guys searching for friends going missing from his university days and its films are actually quite clever and all these different ways to, you know, get...

...back at university professors and different boys in the school and the a very inventive and interesting character and it's just interesting seeing some of the things they got up to and some of the mischief along the way. You reminded me a little bit of be the hangover a little bit trying to find this lost friend, and I was really surprised by it and maybe because I was expecting it to be really serious, expected to be idiotic. It's from the title based on the Front Cover, really change my expectations. I mean, it's not one of the two hundred and fifty best films ever made, the one of the top two hundred fifty best comedies ever made? I know, possibly, I would say possibly for that one. It definitely has a fairly enjoyable film and I felt a lot more tolerable than maybe some of the other longer films in the IMDB top to fifty also, so I might be more open to see it now, even though I'm also not the massive fan of the hanger franchise. Oh it is one more franchise, but IV incredibly happy having seen, never saw a single film from is twilight. I know that film is dropping from you with the public consciousness now that that state won't mean much anymore about I'm just so, so happy I never got forced into seeing that series. And on that remark I think you're ready to close everything up there. So thank you for listening and US against it you have been listening to talking images, official podcast of ICM FORUMCOM.

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