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Episode 11 · 1 year ago

Please Do Disturb: The Most Disturbing Films We Have Seen

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In this episode we will explore the idea of "Disturbing Cinema", and try to figure out exactly what disturbing even means.

To do this we will go on a personal journey exploring what disturbs us and why, and of course, to do this we will indeed list: The Most Disturbing Films We Have Ever Seen.

So, please do disturb, as Tom takes the host's chair to explore his love for disturbing cinema!

You are listening to tolking Ibecton,the FISHALCOL got ICM for doca welcome back everyone and Tom, andtoday we are going to explore an area of sceneme that I feel verypassionately about the world of disturbing films. We are going todiscuss why we are drawn to films that we neware intended to disturb theviewer and consider whether the Calabat of the film making can have an impacton how disteve in a film can be. We are also going to discuss the films thathave disturbed us the most and why they have had such a lasting and pat on usand during today, with my brilliant cohost, Adam clam and salt, and itwould be great to hear each of you stances on disturbing films, so thelisseners can understand our individual perspectives on the subject. First ofall, if you like to introduce yorself and just explain if you bacefully seekout disturbing films and if so, what is it that draws you to the hi? This isAdam from New York City, I'm known as Blocco on the ICM form. I wouldn't callmyself someone n who really likes disturbing movies actually, but I'mvery intrigued by the concept hey. This is clam from France. Riat BEBAC,disturbing films are something I watch from time to time, even though it's notmy favorite type films, Eithis Assoul from Australia. I do watch quite a fewdisturbing films as having a Forrou Fan, and I think I like watching disturbingfilms mainly or to feel something because there's nothing worse thanwatching a movie and feeling absolutely nothing afterwards. I think that's agreat point, Sol abouit, watching a film pavioucely to make you feelsomething I personally love it when films are powerful enough to stee anemotional reaction in me, whever, it's you know happiness sadness, discose,TOR, even to be disturbed, think that films that are powerful enough to lisit an enutional response in te viewer, usually far more enjoyable, the onesthat aren't and even though being disterbed, isn't necessarily anemotional response that people would associate with having a good time, Ithink, by watching a film, it is good to have that kind of Nesho being changewith what you were watching. So we thought it'd be interesting to see ifthere's a clear difference between films that disturb us as opposs tothose which are scary or upsetting or sat so light hear from everyone and seewhat you thought so in this idea. This is the topic that most intricts me onthis issue. The question of what is disturbing and as I've ritten to Alleyou before, we think of knowledge and words, is something that we developethe meaning of within ourselves. Then disturbing could mean somethingentirely different to different people. Disturbing might be something that'supsetting or something at is sad or something that is frightening might besomething that inspires moral outrage or might be related to something thatinvolve some sort of awful visual spectacle. Here might be something thatI inspires a sense of revulsion. I thought a lot about it over the pastweek and I think for me personally, I think of disturbing, and I think of themovies that I think of disturbing. What stands out to me is that there tend tobe movies that betray my expectations of what I might see what I'm used toseeing on screen as well as movies that betray my expectations of the order ofthe world or the assumptions we can make. Bu Sofeadam affiming disturbingis not necessarly a bad thing why it's not necessary of bad feeling. It's justthat. The Fim challenge your perceptions and challenge yourexpecdition to athe film correct is. I would agree with that and a'msympathetic to what Saul and Tom said earlier about how a disturbing moviecan be a good thing if we find it emotionally compellent. I agreecompletely that oes that elicit in emotional reaction or often movies thatI enjoy more, even if tho emotional reactions or not necessarily positivepedence right. I would agree with one o you that sometime, it's good to haveyour expectation and to challenge your view on the word and what wel expect mywatching film. I believe that teumds in general Hafe the power to generate alot of difference, emotions sometimes even within the same movie. You canfeel lot of the different things a Wy. I love wo macing CAS to fill this ttyping emotions that could chang from time to tim as the PN progress. I alsothought a lot about. What's disturbing readoning, I think it's interestingthat it is hard to define term, even though it seems that it sutern thatembodies a lot of different film O it's interesting to see that it are todefine, but a same time. There are quite a few films in to think of asdisturbing, even though I couldn't...

...really be able to time at theontremeans to me. I agree with Clem the term disturbing ears very hard to Defie I,and they also agree with what Adam said, that different people have differentperceptions of what disturbing is and one of the things which Ada mention wasmoral outrage. A lot of people. I've met in real life, O talk aboutdisturbing films. They talk about films, that's what I've change their morals on.You know, subjects that are comfortable to watch ut. I look at Weth adisturbing field and the difference between disturbing and scary, for me isprobably how realistic the film is trying to be, I think, of something Ke,the human sensiped. That's not really trying to be a realistic feel about aguy going out and tranning. A centipede out of human beings is not trying to bereal. It's trying to be a horror, fomit's trying to be fiction horever.If I get something like Marties, which is a FEON, my hope to discuss a littlebit later, that's actually trying to be a realistic and say some vreal thingsabout what human beings are capable of doing to each other, and I think thatdisturbs me more because it's or trying to be real rather than just presentinga clear narrative story. I think that that you all write with a rery notionthat distibing film is subjective. It does depend a lot on the viewir andoften the emotions, if being sad and upset, can go hand in hand with adisturban. filmit can be difficult to segregate these emotions from oneanother. I think for me, though, when I consider it film that is disturbing.It's usually those films that have a Longand, lasting impactand and staywith me, whether that the images that it can av Ben into my mine, justthrough the horror of watof se or some form of psychological trama. That kindof shakes me to the core and means that I never forget the experience, and Ireally like how Adam brought up the notion of films that betray ourexpectations. Because, often when we think of disturbing films, we gostraight towards the Arish Army, but sometimes the most ITA. The element ofa film can call in a fimlthat, isn't associated with the hoggage on and willjust have one or two striking movements that seemingly come outof. Nowhere thata're completely jarring and takl you by a surprise, because it's not too fenoalexpected to see innotfill and that can be equally as Disturbin us. He momentsthat retness in horrofounds. I I think disturbing, even though is hard todescribe, is referring to negative things, negative images, negative ideasor opinion. So I think it's normal that twenpople think of disturbing film.They would mostly think of bining film ore, negative Feuntan say so it couldbe more find like or films treater tibofills. Personally, I realized thatI will be more distubed by FIM which, as psychlogical violencs in it thanrather than physical souns like omintasion typeing films, I usuallyfind them very disturbing, even though they're not completely horror, filmsand atmostly treaer elements, I think that this Finat Toni have the mosttrouble watching Thati the hardest for me to watch, even though thed notreally fiture any physic onfinements, but just the idea of comuidation is ingenerally something that disturbs me in real life. I think, which is why it'salso really disturbs me: WHUT, I'm watching it on onscrew reallysympathetic to what Cleminsang about. Sometimes the idea is much moredisturbing than what we see. This also relates to what Tom said about how it'snot always forern movies, that we find most disturbing mentioned before that.Sometimes a certain moral outrage can be very disturbing two of the moviesthat I thought of when I listend out the movies that are most disturbing tome just off the top of my head. Not Harm movies at all, I thought aboutwhiplash, which have actually ridden about a bit on the ICM form recently,and I've fought about the twenty nineteen rube. The report TWAS ahistorical film about the torturn program run by the CIA in the UnitedStates and the investigation into that program. Though there are a few scenesof torture, don't really measure up to anything. You could see in your averagetowards for porn movie, Thaws very interesting adamant, I'd loved to knowmore about, while you thoughts on on et pashion and why it is disturbing 'cause.I think it's a great, very suspenseful edgeresee filled for me, disturbed Measuch R I'd love to see you dismet him on a note, not be interesting. WatLashis, a movie that I've Ome to understand a lot of people really love,and I don't want to tell them that thee wrong. It's a movie, I really reallydislike, and there are two reasons for that. One is that I feel it reallytrays the meaning and the history of Jazz, but we can put that aside for amoment and focus more on what I think...

...is the moral or theme of the story.There's no real way to discuss that without relly spoiling the entire movie,which I'm prepared to do when I thought I'd give people a fair warning thatthey might want to Tam over the next minute- and I saw this movie- I thoughtthe theme of the movie was abusive power and abusive relationships tax, atheme. I normally expect that to be treated negatively if y mactic scene ofwitlash reversed that expectation fom me and to me the message of the moviewas that this abusive figure in the movie is actually doing our pratygonistto service and that our protagonist benefits from the abuse. I thought thatwas horrifying and asparred a sense of refulsion. That's partly because I hada mentarant Grad school who was abusive as well, not nearly to the extent ofthe character in Wiplash, but it a certainly was an abusive relationship.I find that there's nothing at all redeeming about it. That's why I trulywalked away from that movie, horrified and revolted and very disturbed thut, OFascinating Point Adim, and I think it links in very nicely with what we'vesaid already about SA nature of distabing films being subjective,because you mention that the event that ive betrayed in Whitplash are relatableto yourself. So steving films have this ability to prey on the fears F ofpeople who can relate or find some comparison in thefilms o their own,live and hat. You know hebs to explain why it's subjective and it dependsonour own percal of experiences and ther own fears that we have as eviewet.I just mentioned that I actually had a similar reaction to Adam. I didn'tdislike the film what it did knock it down a bit in my esteem, because Iwasn't quite sure the end of it Wat to make o the J K Simon's character, whathis motives really wort, herout and wher ther s something round: Im taped,tout, ot the end. There was definitely a strange ending to a fill which itseemed to be a lot about abuse and a lot about psychological torture. Budought to just mention, because Clem brought it up home invasion. Films isalso something that I find t really scary and something that is a bitdistabbing Om, Mani Watch. It is like Darran Arenovski's mother were bitdisturbing for me to watch about people coming in and sort of taking over yourhouse and ruining everything yeah. I still haven't seen moterforse thisreason, because I know it won't be a good experience for me to watch it. SoI have the film, but I haven't really found the time in the motivation yet towatch it. Other is a gripe film. It's not an easy film to watch bougt the HOGliving breathing at nightmare of it was just amazing how well it managed tocaptured on screen, and I felt well there's all emotions that I feltdifferent points in my life. It's not a fieln that I could watch again easilythat it was definitely very powerful for me in terms of whoare talking aboutdisturbing films being able to make you feel something more thare is anexcellent fill. I found it quite stuping. I think that links in quitenicely to a next point about whether the calibere of a film has an impactand how disturbing it is because Morhe is made by Dina onoticy and he's anexcellent film maker, their visual effects in the fill cinematography ARLgrilliant, and they obviously have an impact on the most distabing movementsthat we see. So it's interesting to compare kind of impactive tostabanfills when you consider sleazy expoitation films from like the lateSeventies. You've got Stif flak icepit on or grave and Eteron lefto kind of,like Wa Tesond, rimy films, Unrelentin and kind of Graini, and how theyarepresenterd as Wark. And then, if you compare them to Auht housefills, youlook at the distunben films of Fontre antichrist and I a house that chuckbuilt and also you've got the films of Caspenea, so revisable and I spandalone Andre's a clear contrast between those and becuous to hear. If anyonehas a vewon wich of those two angles, they would find more distaving, don'treally find that the budget for the film or the class of a film reallydisturbs me that much it's really the themes and what's going on and how it'spresented, which makes a fendisturbing for me intercently bring out vontreabecause a felm of his I saw recently the cinemas was house that Jack Built.That's actually the fen. That's had these second most walkouts or of anyfilm that I've seen in my life sowt in a very small cinema, there would haveonly been maybe twenty or twenty five seats in there and five people walk outat three different key points in the field and always keep waits up in grandof my mind. Because of that- and none...

...of it was really that sturbing to me-obvouse and quite shocking things in there, but the house o Jack Bilt is ablack comedy and I was laughing out loud at certain points, especially dowith how Obsessive Compulsive Eis, because I'm a little bit oside myself,I could relate to oer and kept going back into the house, crink Tfo,bloodstains and so on. So I found it to be very funny yes or some disturbingstuff in there, but it's presented as a quavity then fin of that testern. Butobviously people had come to the film they hadn't read anything about it.They had no idea who had gontres. They probably saw Mapdalin's name ago. You KW I like to in crash, or I like in those gossipand sand, films, they've,sat down and watched, not knowing what to expect. I think if you knew what toexpect, I can't imagine that the House that Jack built would be such adisturbing film. It's funny that you mentioned the walkcuts in the house atJackbill, because I had a similar experience when I went to seeantichrist for me. I think there is perhaps a few more disturbing movementsin antichrist than the House that Jack Belton ar perhaps ere more well known,because there are the scenes of geneital mutilation that e verydisturbed and they prompted and temwere of walk out in the auto cinemawhereviewed it. There was a few old couples in there. Perhaps they wen'ttore of what they're going to see. But when those scenes came on, it was clearthat they Weng into stay for the remainder, the film Ordem, to avoidkeeping people in suspense, because I said the House that Jack Bird had thesecond most walkout film. That's actually a the most walkouts that I'vegone and seen is actually Adam. Mchay's vice go about Dick Chaly, there's a bitof a story to that. There was actually a Iscare, the cinema, and we had toevacuate the cinema towards and and os standing around with, a group of otherpeoplea going to see in the film afterside and all this is pretty lousy.It's not a really great film we're just going to go hoh we're actually notgoing to stick around and wait for them to put out the fire wait for them. TOCD.It was just a Hox. It was just a hoax and I went back in as well as the otherpeople who are seeing vice with think of that point. We might have had tenpeople back in the Cemmer when they started weshowing the movie being atleast thirty. Maybe forty people anot such 'cause, it's disturbing, butthat one did have the most walkouts and thirs interesting stroy to go alongwith it. The thing also Mi Eton about vice, just because it's interesting andThar's, not quite righ, to disturbing Ema Reson. We knew there was a firesthat there was this blarying n sound but of course, with Vice Ada Mkay beinghimself and putting all these Adam Stranger, weird things in a I thoughtwas is just part of the films s, just aut of mccaqe, being annoying Agaiinorthey be started an had their an credits and the and carried on will theother tricks soall looking at each other? He tery going is thist pod, theFEL, or is this alarm actually in alarm? It's actually kind of interesting'cause everything about a film like or demons the Atalio Rofi on hnineteen D,eighties. That's about sinarpatrons and there's all these deemors coming out ofthe theater, and they actually think it's part of the film and I guess itcan be a bit disturbing in itself. It becomes so immersed in the movie. Younow do 't realize when there's actually an emergency happening within thecinema itself. If you think about the beginning of Wess, craven screamed too,where the first murder was happening in the cinema in the showing of the moviestab S, Wemin gets up she stater in front of everybody, and nobody reactsbecause they all think it's just a prinster. They all think it's actuallypot Oll. The film experience Av o understand that an actual emergency inthe cinema is definitely the most disturbang thing e like saw how yousort of tied it to movies, where what we see on screen might implicitlythreaten where we are at that moment. Those ware two great examples that yougave demons and screen too. I was just thinking about how, if you're ever onan airplane, you see a movie on the airplane that comes from theentertainment system. They will always edit out anything in the movie relatedto plain crashes. I think that's an example. How then, when we will to seedisturbing things on screen or often definitely not willing to seedisturbing things that feel threatening to them? In that moment, that's a greatpoint two as Adim, because thereare actually, certain companies that put onspecific screenings in certain locations to enhance the experience inthe film an knew that Tbeinscreenings of jewels, for instance, inswimmingpools or outside on the water, where peoplewill be actually in thewater, while ther watching Jawers and there's also been things over here.Where there's show La witch at night in the woods, and I ove the idea offilding on the experience. So it's not just what youare watching them, ScreanWl, actually the environment that Youe...

Emeson at the same time that canenhunge the experience of being disturbed. So for me, I think that bothartose films and this leazy exploitation films have the power todisturb me. It's interesting to know that they do so in different ways, withtendency of artose films to build up this kind of sense of dread and mooedthrough the atmosphere, whereas the sleeve expoitation films, kind of Batouover thehead, were fillin the trials on that notice, interesting to discuss theconcept of what specific acts of violence. That would make you thinktwice about watching the film and t any specific things that will turn Hiu offfrom watchin him. So for me, the one thing that kind very difficult to watchis e seens that involve rap or child abused. In some way, when I wrote downa few DAYSON, my list of movies that have disturbed me than included wereand woyt bobby and a history of violence, adboy Bubby, inns rearly. Thefirst half hour of the movie is very much concerned with an abusiverelationship that involves onconcensual sex expectedly. It then becomes acomedy over the last hour of the movie and actually really liked bad boy bubby.But first half hour was difficult to watch his ry violence is an interestingone, because I remember when I saw I threre were a couple of walkouts in theSINMI was at it wasn't the violence I found nearly as disturbing as the onesexscene in the movie, which Ey straddles the line between rape andnotrate. Me Looks like a rapesand, even if it isn't it's definitely a scene ofvery aggressive sex. Always perhaps most disturbing is that it occurredbetween a really loving married couple, so any scenes and include anwor orchild abuse I find very, very disturbing reversible is, is a moviethat I know I will never see. Fert yea, especially N E L, as e remember, rapeseem to be very real and there is no cat. The camerados and move around it.reely feels like you're there watching what happens and not really being ableto do anything to enter the question. I don't think there is anything thatreally would stop me from watching the film there are. Obviously some subjectsmakes me think twice about watching it hat. We were talking about motherOlioron, and it's not found that no I'm going to watch soon. I ohave to be likeright kind of mind before watching it. It's not that the other subject do notmove me or anything. Of course it's just that. I guess I'm able to bringmyself to think that what I'm watching is just the film just moving. Whattoing on is ondos screen at least, is not weare even to it's, obviously,something that is suddenly happening every day everywhere in the world andnot just Rao China, buse, but murder, torture and an anything that human mindCancan. Think of so it's not something I enjoy watching either ut. I guessit's easier for me to ring myself to think that what I'm watching is notreal. I was thinking about it and I realize that fim that I find well notdisturbing, but very scary, as Wol fens are found to tach fiems, which isbecause I think it's even harder to realize that wmach you're watching isnot real, because it's making a way that makes you think that the cam thatwe found oo Omon cameras with what s Isrel before we get into the topic ofacts of violence that I find disturbing to watch thought I might respond tosome of the points brought up by my cohost, the films that Adam Mentiond,that boy tabbe an a history of iolence m, being fan of both of those filmsfrom Cotle, my favorite directors of Tier and David Cronemberg. That boybobby, I agree, is disturbing to start office, but it does Emorphin to acomedy sort of about him getting away from Tan abusive relationship andmaking a life for imself or even though some parts of it were hard to watch. Ithought it was necessary, as part of the journey of the character goes onthe history of violence. It's a film that I've seen or five times are reallylike it, and I think that ripe scene is very necessary in thereas part of thecort progression of cause without spoiling it too much. It's all aboutvegmorteson character wrestling with his past and who he was, and that sortof comes out with the Y that he is with his wife. So I thought I was verynecessary, though I couldn't stand that some people might be hard to watch ripein general. I don't really find that that difficult to watch asthat toviolence, fine body, mutilations, much more disturbing especialy anything todo with teeth. I celd an incident when I was younger, where I walked into apole at Camp I'd chip my front to then...

...none of the teachers would believe meso watching teeth in films is very hard for me, but I will still watch it. Ijust sometimes it turn away or cove my eyes a little bit any sorts of bodymutilations and Fhikirg of films, even like Hostil, with like eyes being, areburnt out. It's very hard for me to watch whit. I will still watch it outhough it's disturbing, it's making me feel something, and I'm recognizingthat it's making me feel something and even slicing eyes, even Nchan Andeloo,it's not easy to watch, but it's something I will still watch. But ifsomething WIC is a bit more opposive for me, I don't K if I'd quite call ittoevering, but it is something that's not easy to watch. wots reallydisturbing for me is thing about a Japanese animafilm cord barefoot gamnet,which is about Survivng, the Hirishima blast and e nuclear radiation fallout,and it's got some very disturbing images in that. Even though it'sanimated film body parts, melting away, a dog cloring out a door ad is sortover his hand or his bals. Turning into barn, its got some really shockingimagery in that, even though it's an animated film and that Pobbe, my Pikfome one most disturbing film Thatd, I've ever seen, was going to also justreact to Someon Tat Clenan Shul. He said that he found found footage ordisturbing, because it's hard to it's real or not real AC. A reverse of that.I find a feel more immersing if it's not found fooage. I don't like thefound footage former a lot or the shaky camera work serves to remind me thanwhon. I'm watching is a constructed film if the CONERWORK is less visible.If it's more or more as we've been come to nothe last a hundred years, I findmyself easier to get an muse than there, rather than something e Caera shrakinga lot, and you know you can see through a cord bottle and everything hatactually draws my attention, the thact that it has been constructed and makesit less disturbing. For me, a just have to jump in to say that I feelcompletely the same saul when it comes to any movies involved. What O mightcall dental torture and anything? It points again to fact that witll we findmost disturbing is very personal and often based on our own experiences forSaul. It was having that incident of walking into the pole me an seeing myfather going through what, at this point, must have been dozens of dentalsurgeries over the years. So movieg, like marathon man, was excruciating forme. Seen involving the infected tooth and castaway was also something that Ifound very difficult to watch so as a huge horror, fun, there's not reallyanything that Wills Tur me off Ron watching a film. I think that Clem putit nerously in the fact that he says you always know in the back of yourmind that what you're watching isn't real. So in that way, I can kind ofdistance myself from it and forget what is haning onscreen, because aneris notreal and just enjoy it, for what it is. There are certain branch of films thatI have tried to watch and just a Campe Sevan. This is the films at the Guineapig series and August underground. It's just torture, repulsive, imagery andlittle else, there's just no kind of satisfaction or joy to be had in inwatching these kind of films. And for me, that is kind of where I draw theline. One ofthe thing that makes me think twice about watching a film Al,the Animal Cruelty. Thankfully it's something that we don't see that oftenin films made recently hat. If you look back into the past, you've got filmslike Cannibal Hollocourss, theres, a number of animal deaths that Yo saidthe sea on screen and also Wakin fethers, a scene in which ivenebecanares called it's really upsetting, because you can see the kindof pain and suffering that the animals go through, and I find that completelyunnecessary. Otans O Horror Movic doesn't really bring anyfhince to film.I didn't see the Guinea pig films was considering watching one of them forthis week's poncast upon reading about it, it did soung like it was just watchofor the sake of it, though, that intrigued me also because one of myfavorite FIMS of all time is video dryme, of course, in that year of JamesWoods, ing into that broadcast of a show which just seems to be to Atcherinnothing else and sort of intrigued to see some postle that could be broadcastas part of that videodrave experience. But I guess for me myself, watchingsomebody beig tortured with no other reason. Forit doesn't really track meto a film. It sounds of animal cruelty. That's never really been that much orthey turn off. For me been a lot of Depinns upon what you're doing to theanimal I mean what they do to the carse n, like Allor, French, Canadian films,quite dsturbing, I guess, or thiwaslike...

Cannibal holocast o what pho we sayingit was disturbing, because the Volenc, a Apinto, the animals actually werekilled. The whay I look at animal bonds in films. Is it doesn't really matterto me whether it was real or whether it was fighkt, because what I'm watchingis the film itself? The film itself is a static object. FEON doesn't changebased on what you read about it, O if yon does become worse to me or betterfor me just because animals were or not killed in the making of it, though, Ithink the most shocking thing that I've read about in terms of animal cuty in afilm is the children. Film are the adventures of Malo and Otos, which isapparently the first Fon thatever watched in cinemas about the adventuresof this cat in this dog. There's a scene there where the cat jumps off aclearfot of cower, they threw and your thirty rheel cats and killed them offthe cliff. Just in order to me out to make that seed, that's what it makesyou go hmbut. I didn't disturb me as such. While I was Watcheromo, I haven'tseen the Guineapeig series either have seen another Japanese film, which wasmade in the same war. Jiscarotesqk hat was reaasing two thousand and nine, Ithink, and its piatures. This kind of mad doctor whoop khidnaps to teenagerboy and a girl inthe torture them. I believe it is to feel a sexualexcitement. Again I haven't seen broahestbut listing ECLAM describid. Itsounds quite interesting because it sounds like it's not just a playingtorture, film, it's a torture film, but also saying something about theprotagonest that he's getting some sot of Shof a Fiman out of it just slickingin terms of Samwa, described his Torrapo and horror, films, up e hostileseries, actually kind of liferosy an though they're difficult to watch,because a lot of it is about Otra itself and about what people get out ofit, a what people can do to each other. So when you consider films like hostiland a sabing film and those that fall under the tortue born bracket, thefilmmakers seem to take great pleasure in showing the tre mats of depravityand violence in order to disturb the audience, and it's interesting toconsider whether that which is implied or isn't actually shown wherever thatcan be asdistabing as that which is sue. So I think I've got a couple ofexamples here. Tedad lad to put forward so first of all, is the jealousy inpsycho, because itchcock is a master here in that we don't actually see theblades penetrating the body of the victim. It's just true, a number ofpowerful cooks and the audience's imagination that we think that we'veseen this violent act in all of its glory. Another example would be inAmerican history X as an infamous sea with curbstomking in this scene. Again,ther's, clever, editing, you don't actually see the act happen with abuild up to it and the cots the filmmakers used. Macls. Imagine thatwe've seen these acts of violetes the imagination can be a powerful tool andit makes these two scenes feel really disturbing when we don't actually seethe specific as of violence. So I'm wondering if anyone else feels that wayor has any examples of scenes where the violence isn't shown but is justimplied. Hitchcok was definitely one of the people I thought of as someone whowosaid the anticipation of something happen and is much more suspenseful andterrifying than the actual, and I also thought of Valluden famously madeentire movie at people where we don't really see any frightening happening.The entire movie is built around what we don't see. I don't have any SPACIMICmovies, iould mention off the top of my mind. I definitely agree that sometimeswhat we don't see is more disturbing than what we do American Syco, which isdefinitely a movie, that a lot of people find disturbing. If you read theBOK pound, it bastly more disturbing than watching the movie to the pointwhere there were many points where I simply had to put the book down andstop reading, I would also mention the Movie Act: Pupil, TWAS, originallyastepen King Navalla called summer of corruption. That was another one whereI found these source material are more disturbing than the movie itself.Sending those or two examples of what we imagine with their mind is moredisturbing than any visualization on the screen. Were we on the topic ofbooks, as that would menture another auther that right or books, but neverreally describe or never really shows what the monster looklike is lovecrofts,I'm not an expert on books, Bat Ive, Ive read just a few of them and I findit really interesting that iready in SOM ofos describe what the monstersothe creatures looks like Ani such you...

...to nake up yourown image of what thecharacters in the books are watching, and maybe that to reason why nothcrafthhasn't been adapted into films as much as some other otters, such as t e,Galan pof, for example, or Tefankina. Even though I knew he wrote the Fosoreanimator and they were also e cone of Cooklo released fifteen years ago, andthese are really the two tins I think of and Bi an think of lot of filmscoming from Boxbia. I OBOC IFNFOR exampe. This topic- I just want referto something which yoga one of our produces mentioned, and what she saidis that films, where we don't see what's happening like can be scarierthan actually seeing it. Sometimes, when you actually see a monster, itlooks quite ridiculous. They give out things like the night of the demon ArMa Atina who did catpeople it freaky buts, a bit scary. When you don'tactually see it, I avea it's more disturbing. I think when you do seesomething, so something can be scarier, because our imaginations will fill inthe details but fort to be disturbed. Iget real leads to implyt tha image intheir forme. I don't actually have the image all say those people with thatshotgun at the start of mytears or if I don't have that sort image of the dogsflesh, moiling off playing barefoot, Ganit, wouldn't be so disturbing. Forme, it might be scarier if it was imply, but wel t to be disturbing. That imageneeds to really being grained in my brain. So it's interesting to hear thepoints about monsters that we see on screen and wheeer they're, alwayseffective as those that we don't see on screen D or that plays into theimagination, O viewer and leadit up to you to fill in the gaps and potentiallycreation fom more horrifyn. That philoweakers could create themselvesone great example of this thinkes. These Blair witch projects a one of themost infamous found frotted films because Forala fell, you don't see whatis terrorizing. The patagenus is kind of left your imagination. I aw that a ayoun viewer anm not friginge the Hallow to me because my imagination ran wild.I think that can be trust as effective, but, as soul mentioned, that is movingaway from the angle of a film being disturbing and N Ta film being morescary. For me to be disturbed, I think it is usually what is Sharol screenthat that disturbs me, if it has the power to disturb the violence and ebrutalitan that isn't always limited, I horror foms. I find that a lot of warfilms can be equally as disturbing. You see a lot of the corlege and violenceand in some instances you know when the films are based quite closely onhistorical fact. You know that these events happened and NAT can have theeffect of of seckningnew of the Corl a'm curious to see what films outsidethe Foresora people have been disturbed by the most. Oh, it's interesting thatyou mention war movies when I originally made my list of disturbingmovies put down, for example, the deer hunter and come and seed, and the truthis I'm not sure that they found them disturbing as much as I found them,esperately sad. They were said to the extent that the rest of my day, I say, ruined theyweren't bad movies. They were excellent movies and I'm glad that I saw them,but they affected me in terms of I remained sat for the rest of the dayand really affected me for several days. Further beyond that and beyond some ofthe other movies I mentioned like whiplash, I would mention movies byGubrak and some works by David Lynch, a clockwork orange. I found verydisturbing, and perhaps that was the age that I sawght at I saw when I wasfourteen thing at that point. I was very accustomed t certain type of movieviolence, not accustomed to the type of violence I saw in a clockwork orange.This gets back to what I said at the beginning of the episode about moviesthat betray our expectations. A clockwork orange is very violent. It'sperhaps no violent than other maried violent movies, but it is violent in away that we're not used to violence is extreme not played for lax. It's playedin a sort of very sickening way, so I found that disturbing haw. I mentionedDavid Lynch, and I think this is really an example of how surrealism perhapscan be more disturbing than horror, although maybe the two aren' soseparate, whichis works have always included elements of horor withoutperhaps being hard themselves to think of a movie like moholland drive. Thereis a very clean scene outside the diner. That is very scary. I found the entirething very disturbing because I just...

...didn't know what to do with it. wachedit the first time and I didn't really have a clue what I was watching. I feltin some ways that this inpression of the propes of film expectations Wain,which it subverted my sense of reality, was very disturbed. There are twofielns and I'm thinking about right now that is goodme. When I work ent theare,not or films, theycan do second, one can be considered roam: Bymy sothefirst one I was thinking about is saving primate tri. Like Adam, Iwatched this film when I was Qui Johng led, say. I think I was about thirteenwhen I saw it and because the first alf hour at to e he very beginning of thefilm when the American arrived at the beach in Naarni, and it was the firsttime that I really saw such viamonds in a film. So after about twoend andtwenty five minutes ad two cose with fo en stop, because it was cos too muchtoo much fomtebacken. I especially remember Ascen at the beginning, wherethere is I adre Ling on the beach with his and trails out of his stomach. Iremember this inater. In fact, on me, H've seen the filmer afew times since sincetn, I'm sure nowthey would do anything to me. Butback when I watched it, it was really really disturbing tome. The second fimI was thinking about is e movie value. BYCOANIG called Cashi a Onmike, theEnglish title, maybe Reden, I'm not sure if people would call it to Houfilm. I woul mostly consider it to be on traiter, I cutell, but I was reallydistricti atmosphere D, just like seven Cartryan. I think I saw it when I wasmaybe fourteen fifteen and I think it was the first time when I watched theFAM this type of PSYCHLOGICAR Coton almost because it's not real homeinvasion, but it almost is in wary because you're receiving these strangetapes from someone you Doud not know whois, you don't know what he was, butis filming drouse and theres new tapefeds, very strange and very creeky,because no one can really do anything about it because there as no Minaes oranything just Toansan, tapes and pus. This reason, the fact that we do notknow who who the person behind it all is what he wants and his attitude isvey disturbing iright for an efent. I believe Ashi was another one founreallyfelt he toxman. I think I might start off by reacting to some of the filmsthat have been bought. UPBY my cohosts befar. Dear Hunter. I don't know if Ifound that too disturbing myself for the most disturbivything about it. Forme was that wedding seme seem to go in for about an hour intems of the rush ofthat stuff. Some of that was quite intense. I don't ver would have calledit disturbing UN sees an areristing firm. I guess rjust towards thedisturbing end of the Spectra. clockark oranges also have fen to Asort on earlyage and think I ever found it disturbing. There was quite a bit ofviolence in there, but it wasn't like tortor violence and the way the bondswas portrayed or t least initially. was these friends going out and having alittle bit of fun, which I guess should be disturbing, but for me, as I Putin,a sixteen yard D Wel, I watched it. I just thought o just em teenagers PKINGaround and getting up to what they shouldn'te be getting ut to. So Ididn't find it that disturbing some of the films that were mentioned, O savingprivate ride eisting one because I probably wouldn't have been a lot olderthan Im when I sat down and watched it and that didn't disturb me too muchhave probably seen a lot of war films at that point. In time again, I wouldhave been maybe fifteen or sixteen. I would have seen a lot of porror filmsand I guess, when you see a lot of blooding, got some horror films. Maybeit climatorizes you to seeing in another gonrose annosed saving Privorididn't disturb you that much of the time althothing I've watched it sincecachet is an interesting film e, really like it a as the way it's sort of quitebreaks, the fourth war, but sort of blurs it Isaadasinto the filmager who's,sending the tapes to the characto that Seoro that Loin Linethe, but it isobviously Duncarvhem CA. Se, I don't know where the types are coming from,but I'll probably go for funny games as an morderstirbing Michohomic a film,because I guess with Funny Games. Ye Te are bad takg us going in and rewindingthe stuff and going back and doaain again when the rpotagonust managed toovercome them. I Guess Funny Games as Boreline Hars that wouldn't be Balidfor this point in terms of nonhora films, Oe Tisturben, the most the onethat I've me Te copen times already is a bare Footgana, but Ian seen it onceand when I saw it, it's got this...

...amazing poister and iron DB with gensther foot. It looks like a bright and bubly comedy there can't be any furtherthan that, and I guess the expectations played a lot into what I reacted tobear forganic. It was much more shocking than anything I could haveprepared myself for even though was ananigusy evages, their children diingthe oens becoming grittel on them, breaking away a dog's, paws meltingaway, Irealy capture. For me, the horrors of sevity Tehiroshima blast.One of the things I sait about at the time which shouldn't make you want tosee bar foget if ye haven already is that bare forganat makes grave of thefireflies look like a breezy Wakhoug apark on a sunny Sunday afternoon,bennwatched grave of fiveflies to smile again after watching Barfoot Gan.That's how disturbing it was for me when I saw ont at the time and notbeing able to pull myself to rewatch it, since there are two things I would liketo add too mucoges said so. Regarding your funny games, I didn't think aboutthat Saman. I was trying to find disturbing films, but Istrue that Te toHande is point distrubin to there is a scene new mentioned toward the end ofthe film, where the main character rewindd the film after with e partnerskilled. This scine was very interesting sheng to me, because it wasthe moment where the film stopped being disturbing. Fo Me, I was reallydistrurbebi everything before I was at the edge of my seat. I wasuncomfortable by what I WAM Saeing, but seeing him rewinding. The FAM like that,gave the entiretin ith totally new dimension, tty new pespective or me asIwell objet. Just Ao is just Te. Film is a strange, Darg film, but still fellthat it was almost like a comic relief type of Se Trei. Actually, when Iwatched it, it's not a negative thingbecause. I really like the FIM butthes senathers special inbact on me, because it was really at that pointwhere the film to He new dimension. To me. A second thing I would like sayingis about herfood again orge. No, I haven't Tustin it, but you made methink of another Thi. Japanese film frof Rom one thousand nine hundred andNiety nine, which is called black rain by Choeimamuro, and there is this sceneat the beginning for about wo thousant, an twenty five minutes from what Iremember that pittures, the city of Iroshima right after th Atomi Po drop,so Wi Ceson chaos that is going on and we have thes scenes of FURMD,bihabitants children dying or being good and everyone going inside the citybeing on fire. I think it was very thei report, obscene and very very ontForivin, so there's been some great disturbing Filmsmenan interesting tosee that a lot of people, obviously disturbed by more films. I can relatetotaly to what the soul was saying about: Saving Private Ryan. Althoughthe violence is intense Al to start the time I saw it. I was kind of immune tothat because of my Passon for the horigolry you get kind of use to seeingthat kind of iolence, but you can imagine that Peis you not seeing muchhorry Bou that pointor or not used to that kind of iolence. It srely capableof disturbing or shocking that. I completely agree that. Therefore,Ganiss inincredibly disturbing film, and I would like to echo soul'srecommendations and Foth atfielk. It's incredible to think that this animatedpiece of work I can be as disturbing as a horror film, basically the depictionsof the Rosiamebon and the AFTERMU and juspaints a picture of cur Ha and isincredibly terrified at points and perhaps because it's an animation,that's why it charses so much Rus. You don't usually expect that level ofdisturbance from a Medim of Filmmak and at is kind of usually reserve forchildren's audience. Iuld recommend that one totally also interesting tothink that Im film, such as more Holland, drive and cashietr mentioned,because I love those kind of films where there's just one or two moments,perhaps that thet disturbd to view it, and I love noting more than watchingand non horrorfilm, no expectation of wats to come in an then there's just ashocking movment or or something that distabes you. I struggle to find filmsout these because, when you resay it films to watch because e ent Tobestaing, he obviously notifies you that you're Goin to watch them for. Then youlook in out for something that's going to be disturbing, but perhaps I neweffilms, when you see them in the ceremony, want to Ma of what's going tohappen and something I tat a you, hi, always Tak Itu by surprise, and I lofedut fee. So going back to the films outside F Horisol with it stir me themost. I will have to bring Comman Se,...

...which is one of my all time: favoritefirs, an its a warfilm from the Soviet Union, and it's just this ugly andhorrifid depiction of war is seen through the eyes of an innocent youngboy, who's caught up in he nurse invasion of Ellrus, doing rulor two.It's completely graphic and Vasera film that doesn't shy away from encompassingBRUTA elactrocities and war crimes that were committed in the darkest days ofthe Wor, and I think that warns of its disturbing nature deserve to be heeded.The director stages is action with it. The dedication to realism thattransfrorts the viewer into the heart of the carnage, stollingly Crorographflong tapes, had weight to the impact of these relenttess on Saugh. They alsodemonstrate the breaftaking direction of a master cinematographer, where theimpaccable sound edit an enhances the sense of hoplessnesses rickashamebullets wi through the undergro and violent explosion, shapeyear stoinanyone caught in the Bastrans and leaving them confused and disawinted towe experience, cirse, hands, teilliance to natural ring and sensation,engolfstare, hearing the heart of COMENCI theres, a hauntidtransformation. We see a devastating corruption of innocence, swift,cafarses from childhood to Adletood froveiling before our very eyes as theOung potaganist lives through the serrific perin history. It's one ofthose monumental films that just kind of hitch you like a sledge, have hangdevastating and traumatic. It is and for me, that's the pinnacle, O adisturbing film. What isn' Ar Horrifiell to say, but you can totallyunderstand WHA people might consider classifying it as a horriftin. Movingon to the Horejon now and love to hear what horror, films, you've seen themost staming that had last Incica Lintov, just really shaken me to thecool. This is a hard question for me to answer because itcomes to horror movies,I am a real scarity cat. I find Harr movies very difficult to watch, notbecause they're disturbing, but because I get scared easily. In some sense,every horror movie is a scary movie for me, but that's not quite the same asdisturbing or at least sterming can mean a lot more that sens, the onlyhorror movie that I can think of that I found disturbing was the shining and alot can be said about the shining enough to fill the podcast episodes.Guess maybe one of the most disturbing things I find about it? Is that nomatter how many times I watch it at this point, it must be a half dozen orso still find it a difficult experience. It still remains very scary. It's stillsomething that shakes me a little. The thing disturbsme about it is the sensein which it conjures a sense of unreality and I'm not just talkingabout the fantastical elements and story the ghosts and what not I'mtalking about the sense that movie charts a descent into Pennis andinvolves us in that descent antmais and where, if you're, really immersed inthe movie, as I have been sometimes star, really questioning what you'reseeing and what you understand about what you're seeing on the spring badpiguani would be the Shi in terms of Loro Film. That disturbdme, I think,I'm going to mention the first real wor fam that I ever watched, because Ithink I was the one who really had a big impact on me and in a way started eloves. Nowadays I have four or films. It is remate of Zeizavies, the firstone which was released in two thousand and five. I believe so. I must havewatched it when I woke about thirteen fourteen looking back at it Itigoorphim,but it's not that scary or that disturbing, but WOT AGAN CAS the firstfor fin that I watched, and it was the first time I was confronted to thistype of or imagery the train of this irrigated monsters. There is thissometeam to one te middle of the film where the Clazuris and on oe tree andUrme o life. There was also another scene toward the end of the movie,where the Wentaracters wos going out to Stek his baby in kidnas is tropped inthis pastomsinow tonwiz human barks, legs, arms and so on. Thisour seemsthat Lagena wasused to see at all, and was this reason. I found it quitedisturbing for the first time I saw it, but I was also intrigued in a way andsomething Clik izme. It wasn't the present experience, but somehow Iwanted o Moran for some reason. So I start twatchingbifor films. I rememberseeing the tow series of films and being quite distaed by some of them,especially the Broston, the shord one wo. So it was quite disturbing for me.I believe it is a sert one where there...

...is scene where there is a guy who isNol, thos bronze in some kind of juice col and is being drowned in this rottenpigs fleit that are rushed and roduced to pidand their drawing him with it, asTEU, was quite sickening when I first watch it, but at the same timefascinating- and I think that about the two men or fend that treatyd disturmethe most they were the tros because hit was e first forfiens, I sawto ftime forme to be seeing this typer films like imagery and later on. For some reason Icann't recall other films that disturbd me as much as the yeps. I thought theshining was an interesting feen to bring up. I don't know if I'd Soud bythat disturbing, but it's definitely quite creepy. One thing I noticed Ilast watched the film is that a lot of the terror ears just built up throughthe music and the camera angles of than what the characters are saying to partwhere Jack Nicholson is on Danny's bed and he's talking to him. Al Felt ReallyIncor, but o realized that I wasn't actually paying attention to what wasbeing said, Thoswa just why the music was going and the way that it was shot.Ther was giving me that feeling there's anything about the shining. It is thatdoctor sleep came out last year, also which Sheis, obviously the secret ofthe shining, don't know if I'd Cor doc to sleep. A disturbing film TA asinteresting film, a its from a director cornmike flat again, who did Oculuswhic Adsay, is actually wardering towards disturbing about a mirror thatmight have, but I want it powers and it plays a bit like an xpiles Epirsidewhethther believer a nonbeliever trying to work out whether this mirror reallycan kill people or not interesting film. At sligtly off topic, the hills haveeyes I've see in the original, or I haven't seen the remake sal films Iactually have set through the first hore saw films, ut Iten', particularlylike any of them. That's really what I think of torture port. I really thinkof the sore films and now that the fenders of t e sore series has sathatit's all about try to Sivide and how much do you really want to live? Whathe prepared to do? I find that very repetitive, and I found it a very hardfilmd to watch oft Ou Thei. First, four SAR firms very hard to watch her somuch disturbing, but obviously it was very hard 'cause. As I said for aboutboting mutilations. I don't like watching that. So I found that I waslooking away. ODING IT Heunderstir. We didn't really have those images thatwere engraned in my mind, the same way that imagis in something like tar footgain or something Lik, the hostel films. Those have really been ungrained. In mymind, in terms of talking about a horror film that I found distiringmyself, I have mentioned martyrs. A couple of times to the POTCAST Martearsfor anybody who is not familiar with it yet a on Quebec film, and it's aboutthis, a woman who agrees to help her friend try and get back at the peoplewho she suspects abused her as a child and brewatched it this week, because Iwonderd to see I hold react to it the same way and it's kind of interesting,because the first o five minutes or so ofnartis is really Disturbin, becauseyou see this will be going through with a shortgun and killing these childrenkil they got his husband and wife. portime Tory also see Hor. Imagine thisperson isn't there. So for the first forty five minutes she go off. You knowshe was crazy, as so disturbing she is killing his innocent people have donenothing to her and then without spoiling it too much the plot does itfrom them. It turns out the s they are actually guilty of doing stuff to herand the reasons why end up being quite shilling by the end of the film cause,I just rewatching it because I sort of wanted to go, but I find it asdisturbing. I Guess Abe not in terms of that. I really felt foro when she waskilling my husband and wife, the second time Exi you why she was doing tow andWa pushed her towards that that it was still hard to watch and still love todo. A few fielt pures, an podcast at substage 'cause Martis is not a fiel.My Watch to won go if I cund imagine, watchin get one of one go in the cinemawhen it came out, but I did stop at start filling at quite a few pointswith a lot of it's really intense and the whole idea of the film seems to bethe limits to which human beings could do terrible things to other humanbeings in pursuit of a gold. As I said towards the beginning of the PONCAST,it's very realistic. It's not licey humans, Sanapedwes try to be bitcillyin a bit out, thereit's, actually trying to be very realistic, whichmakes it so disturbing. It's great that you bring ud marses because es anincredibly disturbing firlment, itselvs,...

...quite owrful story, and that just makesthe distarbing expect of the film Hitom even more. For me, there's two foumsthat I think of when it comes to most distaing co films that I have seen onewas actually brought up by Climini conversation we ar daily in the weekAustralian Drang, crusted Film Lake Mongo. The very concept of the filmkind of has a lasting psychological impact on the viewer. I wouldn't wantto Spoilat. But the commain concept to the film is that Gal is dad and try tofind out what has happened to her and the incorpse on mysterious footage andwhat is shown in this footage an I just shake you to the corn. When you see it,it's morelhe fact of thinking t if that ever happened to you, how you woulddeal in in that situation. It's something that kind of plays on yourmind, and I personally thought about quite a lot after watching the filmforfilled to have that Laston impact. I relishd that opportunity because itdoesn't come along that often so when it fill Waun to me for days. I knowthat it swarm that is made a real big incut to me, the owful one that, asallowed to mention, is Sanston Austrian horrofilm. This is a unappreciated.landmarking Austrian Horocinemo mean praps the only Austrian parlan law andit follows the events of a deranged celior killer over the course of twodays as embarks on a series of violent and provoteadtacks on innocent people the encounters the violence depicted as bloody and savage like a cruel displayof the worst aspects of human nature, and this may be shocking to behold. Butits true power lies in the craftsmanship of those involved ecause.What could have been a low brow B movie transcends into the rounv o masterpiece,thanks to the directors artistic poress, the seaminle frenzed, yet wetid to us,Camwa and expruciating. What hypnotizing long takes offer a glimpseinto a savage world that is rarely displayed with such appreciation forthe cinematic, medium and the intensity of the violence is much by a nershredding SOUNDRAC that clause its way on your skin, an exacirvates, therelentless nature of the UNSCREEN carlage. Now anst was also a film thatheavily influenced gaspene. He cites it as a great influence on his way andwithout anxt we might not have had oustand alone or invirsible, or of afilm from no aid that explore the distarbing aspects of human nature soand thankful for that in the influence that it's had, but also in theexperience of watching angst alone. It's such a powerful and distarbingfilm that I cam ecommend that enough for anyone who enjoys these kind ofshons but hasn't Yhave, seen it to conclude this list of disturbing films.I would like to also mention to the films that I didn't mention before,because I didn't really knew where to put them if they were or films or not.The first one is the Japans film from nineties, which is cored. Nine hundredsixty four Pinoptio, who was made by Schuzin Toqui, hope I right. It is astrange Tim unktype of tem which features this exrobot. That becomesdysfunctional because it cannot keep an erection anymore, so is thrown away inthe street, but heis completely rubotalized, because he's only beenmade for the group O sofe having sexbis, which woman so is Trownin the darkstreets. He lives there. Oen Live on the ground in Japan and you will meetwith a girl who's, a junky from what I remember and the entire atmosphere isextremely dark. The way the film is made is very strange. The mainCharacteri theretortured is always screaming and making these strangenoises and acting in Trengen disturbed ways. So it was very fascinating to seehim act completely insane in real life. Japan, because once again he's justoking of robot, but the human form that has been completely vocommized and isobviously not fit for society is not fit to live. Even watching. Thi Filmmade of Prety Bi impactonmy and the second faml wanted to mention is a Tanfrom two thousand and six code: SLOTER bomit dors by Amakee Ruci for Valentine,I'm not Nextpoton, ignized Ograthy iave only seen this film Bhat. I know thatall thes m are more or less to the same. It's anote strange film filled withdrugs and prestituting allutinations, and it also features lot of boking elot. The locks and the lots cooking on ATS, on Oters onthings on everything,and it's pretty much- is for an hour or...

...something and at the end of Youre,watching you feel a bit dirty. I would say by what you've been watching in toshort fields, I actually wanted to see anothe on Ta the same Filaosprogramtime after watching swoter homit Toms. But after watching it I decidedthat I needed to Gra Triti to watch e anything afterwards, so yeah. I guess Iwill watch some other films Bain at some point, but it's croing, Otphilomography, a e bein watching anytime soon. I think Yo can make youeven sai in an interview that you actually find it sexually attractive.That someoneis crooking on him so e, clearly some strange fantasis that helikes to includin his affence. So these are two films that would recommend forpeople if they wants to see something a bit different, the bceone being ninehundred and sixty four inocio and second one being sotered from its topsby Luci Rovat Ell, clamp, that's my viewing for this evening, lined up sofact for those two recommendations: Yeah Manowis, let tovent test to ID sayon the topic O for gratification, how some that could be disturbing thatpeople were attracted to Pukan othe things, obviously, being some greatfilms made on subjects like that, orefver call them disturbing thingslike a dirty shame at Om John Waters and there's a lot of other fields. Thatsort of m explore the whole realm of. While people find to be sexuallyattractive, generesthing. It's a different idea of a reason why he mightfind something disturbing soe must say this has been really enjoyable episode,it's being great, too, discuss all these aspects of distarbing films, whatwe find disturbing and, of course, our most distile films that rer scene. Ithink it's clear from today's discussion: Thso distaving Sinema kindof appeals to the natural curiosity F, the viewers who have an affinity withthe Hoizo and are open to challenge in viewing experiences. I know that I'malways on the lookout for film makers who attempt to push the boundaries ofextreme selemy in this respect, and I cannot wait to see what toviews will bechallenged by ou future generations of filmmakers. Its also interesting to nowthat anterpitations AF disturbing film come back on a sorgetiv point of viewand differ depend in our own personal experiences. What the viewer findsdisturbing can differ depend on past experiences or what personalexperiences that HIV a an impact on t their viewing. So I hope that you'veenjoyed listening to today's episodes and we would love it if you woule stopby at the Arceck Mus formto Reedweedup, as he anformed ut COM, to share storiesof your iwn experiences of disturbing films with us or the forum, and also Ijust like t say. Thank you very much for listening and please during is nextweek where well have a very special guest in the podcast Higer one is crist here an is on todrop an and reveal the andentity of our, not so secret guests. It is indeedmighty parts. The cofounder of the ICAM forum, Anamal donest, as well, meaningboth of the cofouders of the IAM for will be with us and guess what theywill be twice in a rol next week. Well explore hecline of Pilm forums as a wayfor teniphile to communicate and the following week. We will dig into theorgan stories of the ISARFOR itself and that will be acsoly Gran. Somethingactually wer be some pretty interesting reveals so takagain for listening, goceagain soon and lets see thate some in two weeks it e a little bit dosturbing. You have been listening to talkinginbece Te, Pito, Hosga, iseam, forof, Docta,.

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