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Episode 12 · 2 years ago

The Decline of Film Forums: What Caused It?

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In this episode we talk about a topic near and dear to our hearts: The Decline of Film Forums.

Once upon a time there was an endless horde of IMDb forums, each with their own subculture. We had Mubi (the auteurs), RottenTomatoes and many, many more.

Then, they slowly started to disappear, to the point that only ICMForum.com, and a few others, mostly the IMDb clones, which have copied the archives and kept some of the same users, are active and popular.

What happened?

Fittingly, both the co-founders of the ICMForum is with us, one of them (Lauren) for the very first time.

Join in as we put on our detective hats, and talk openly of our own loss and traumas.

You are listening to talking images, the official podcast of ICEM forumcom Hi'all, and welcome back for a tragic walk down memory lane. Get ready for a good cry, prepare your tissues and we will open up the rules, explore the TRAUMAS and figure out just why film forums disappeared into oblivion. Well, all except, I seem, formcom and a few other last survivors. Of course, every single IMDB form with gone, so is the movie forum. Others one's prosperous in content on our ghost towns. In this episode we will talk about how we fell in love with film forums, our most bizarre and embarrassing experiences at talk openly about our own traumas, our own lass. Sal Sarah, as always, F is Adam, and for a very first time, we are going by. I see, I'm fromcom cofounder, Lauren or mighty sparks. As you might know, we're on the forum. Say Hi everyone and just briefly tell us about your very first memory of entering or participating in a film forum. And as this is your first time, Lauren, you can go first. Okay. Well, I'm Lauren Al Mighty spots and I was on imdby but I never really posted on any forms until we made the I checked movies form or the sum forum, which I was co founder of. It's pretty interesting that you went from essentially never writing or participating in forums to just creating your own forum from scratch. Yeah, we did start with the facebook group, but yeah, before that I never talked online at all. I just read stuff and I think that's a pretty common experience as well. There's so many lurkers out there. So to bring it over to your co founder actually, Adam, yeah, I posted on a football forum for a few years, but I didn't post on any film forums until I created the forum with Lauren. It's pretty incredible. So the two founders of one of the biggest, the most popular film forums out there this did post about the film forums first. That it's pretty incredible. However, I know that both soul and I have a long experience in posting on film forums, so let's just jump straight to Saul. I pretty much grew up on the IMDB message boards. I first registered there I was fourteen and when they shot down I was thirty. So I was actually literally on the IMDB message boards half of my life and it gave me an interesting and slightly warped perspective of what a film forum could be, because looking at how the IMDB message boards worked and how they are managed compared to ICM forum and the Board shut down and I moved to ICM forum, actually saw how dynamic properly manage film form it could be. That's pretty much my experience as well. I think I also joined dying to be forms first, probably whole time when I was like fifteen or sixteen or so. That was also there all the way until the end, though by that point I had started to wander away and explore other film forms as well because, as you said, so I'm to be informs weren't exactly properly managed. Thing about the IMDB message boards is it got worse as time went along. I still remember when I was using it. I was in high school, and it's going to be back in two thousand and two, two thousand and three, two thousand and four, or actually proper moderators there who were doing things. If you made a complaint, some people get managed. Everything just became automated. Towards the end are the trolls pretty much took over and everybody would attack you any which way. No matter what you said, because there was nobody controlling it by the end. I started out us was really good and I think as a UN both just getting into film, those actually really interesting thing to have. Now was fourteen or fifteen years old, but by the time I'd got to thirty and it got...

...shot down, I'd probably pretty much outgrown my use for the IMDB message boards. There was, of course, sad to see them go. Yeah, the trolls. That are a really big part of why I disappeared eventually too, and I think it's a little bit sad because in the early years, and I'll stay it really felt like a close knit community with the decent amount of people who knew each other styles and with record man films. But there was all this so much complete and that they're trash going on that often ruined the experience, including people. It just obsessed with spoiling every single field oder the sun. I have to ask, though, Lauren, what's the main reason why I never felt like joining the INDB forms in terms of actually posting other was it the trolls, or was it something else? I just didn't feel very comfortable speaking with people online and I went on the individual boards on the film pages and the act of pages and stuff and occasionally posted questions and joined them with some discussions, but the other boards just seem too big and so I just never really got involved. What's the first feeling we remember posting on? What was it about? I think it was on the film fangs, just to say that it really sucked. Actually pretty much the exact same thing as me. It wasn't thanks, but it was Amadeus, which I think that's actually the breason why I joined. I even to be the first place actually signed up, because I think I was fifteen or so and we had seen Amadeus in class and I hated it. I saw that an IMDB, that it had such a high rating and they wanted to just post about why it was so, so bad, and it's like disclaimer. I do actually love Amadeus now, I definitely don't like fangs. Now, quite contrary to our Lauren and Chris, first movie that I posted on was the one thousand nine hundred and seventy version of what the Ring Heights, and the reason being is that I watched it for some reason for school, cause we're doing, and I think in year Leven, English literature and the movie sort of ended with half of the plot store to go. So my question was this is an adaptation, but only of half the book. Nobody responded to me straight away. I think I've eventually got a response a year and a half later. In the meantime I'd found out, anyway, that almost all adaptations of the book stop halfway through. The first reason I posted an individual reward was because I was confused about a film rather than because I hated it. First Film that I posted on probably negatively. Order Beef Novercaine with Steve Martin. I'm just very phobic with teeth being pulled, as I mentioned in the previous podcast about disturbing films. So made a comment and their sort of warning people that's disgusting and if you don't like teeth being pulled, don't watch the film. So three with you are being so incredibly helpfuls all to granted the very small minority who gets incredibly disturbed, I think, teeth pulled. I don't actually remember the first time I posted on. I think when I joined I used to post about TV programs, but even then I hardly ever actually posted a normally just went on with the different posts about the film I just seen. I think one of the really cool things about only be was that all of these TV shows and even several movies actually have add their old communities and I remember posting on some theory shows. I was a massive fan up as a teenager like that. For the damp, I say every instance, and you would have like fifteen, twenty regular posting there every single day. It was really incredible just how many different usages day be for. I'm sad. It's actually a very good point, Chris, if television chosen message boards, because originally, I'm DB didn't have individual pages for television episodes. Like back in high scores, watching a lot of mash the other and older war comedy and you couldn't ask about single episode. You'd have to like do it on the message board for the TV series. TV series did have quite a few regular participants in there, but you could actually do it per episode or...

...the getting introduced episode pages later on and IMDB's existence before they decided to implode all the message boards. Did any of you participating in the other forums before? You don't, I found from NOTCOM. I did it for one day. Registered I am DB too, which was a clone version of the IMDB website, wherever the activity there was very scarce and there was no interaction, and I registered with ICM DOT Forum on the same day. Apparently I'm at over Eightzero Posts and I've stuck with it till this day and I'm sure one day I'll have more posts on there than Adam and Lauren, maybe even than Adam and Lauren, combar andd but so fantastic, lofty goals. I think the only thing I was really missing from this episode there's there's some people who spend time on the older, really mature forums. We later got refugees from like movie, the rotten tomatoes forums, etc. Because at one time there were so many fantastic and great forums in their own subcultures and their own large sets of regulars. And for anyone who haven't been on their uniforms, perhaps this started getting into forums so and scorching films after it disappeared a couple of years ago. This can't comprehend its scope and how massive these forums are. Like we're talking about so just film general alone, which is from the biggest forum on I am theb had several poles a minute that maybe even a second. You can find Massimo, the topics updated in the last tight a time, minutes a certain hours of day. It was incredible how active it was. This is all gone now and I'm not sure all of these people went on. General was very active, but Oscar Buz was there for the most active form in my time and IMDB. I would go there every so often in November or December to try and work out which the films are going to be nominated at the Globes and the Oscars, but I couldn't ever post there because the whole page will be people have posted within the last minute. would be like three seconds ago, five seconds ago, and so on. Towards the end of my IMDB Journey I was mainly just on the Classic Film Message Board Because in general and Oscar bars and the other big ones were just too active. There was too much going on. You couldn't follow topics there. You can refresh it and see what people are done. If I see him forum, I wake up each morning, I go any my breakfast and I sit down and I refresh the form and I can see the active topics one on one page and that's much more in tune with my sensibilities, at least at the moment of the usually have two three pages. But yeah, it's so true, and especially because obviously have some forms as well, as you can easily divide it up. Been Focus. I'm also interested in plus that really if they are lark about them after that. So all the topics you posting before, if somebody replies, to get the instant notification. These are some things that just weren't there. Yeah, in the be forms, if I recone correctly, though, I think you could do something with the settings. Obviously the Oscar Bas forum was quite dead for long periods of the year, but if they are absolutely right, soul that came to life agrees my I call film with the General the biggest there. It's because it had a consistent traffic. No, I have to disagree with that. Chris, Oscar bars was quite big throughout the year. It did get bigger in the November two January period of the year, but it was big throughout because all these people going. You know, these are my best actress nominees for one thousand nine hundred and eighty one. This is my best down ones for this year. Well, is my top twenty of this year. So plenty of topics like that. In there plenty of topics about who should have won Oscars, who shouldn't have, and even the speculation early in the year was there about all the films that they thought by the end of the year would win best...

...picture. So I know we don't have the proof of it there because whole or whoever was running IMDB has taken down all the message boards. If there was evidence there auld suggest that Oscar bars would have been more active than film general, although film general probably had more discussion in there, whereas Oscar bars was mostly posting lists of things and commenting on them. If any of our listeners love statistics and finding things through the way back machine, I have any statistics whatsoever while to investigative report about film General Versus Oscar bus, go for it a full arm battle to the death. And obviously there was also another forum regard quite a lot of great users from which was the classic forum, and that was also really active one with a lot of discussion. Funny thing is that the atmosphere was completely different from film general, despite bold forms being really focused on many of the same things. A sick film was very different to film general and even best and worst, which was one of the other big boards. Back in the day was about of discussion going on in in plastic film and it's one of my disability in the most because it was more at my speed. They weren't replies every second there, but there are a lot of very stuck up and sometimes quite noxious to prince there or some very strong personalities. They got to the point where if I saw certain films I wouldn't report on the weekly thread because I knew that I would get taken down if I just set the single thing which I disliked about it. The actually stopped watching a lot of acclaim classics towards my last few years and IMDB because I knew I couldn't post about them without being saying or well, why didn't you give it a ten out of ten? I can't believe you're saying about such a classic. That was really annoying and it's only really been since I've come an ICM forum that I've started invest forgetting some of those classics and actually getting into them because I know that I'm not going to get knocked for saying my opinion or if I do, one of the moderators like Chris, will be able to jump in and maybe ab able to censor somebody if they're saying something obnoxious. Ironically, we have almost no one duration on the forum, so disagreement every day. I think that is mostly me and people who do day to day on page for the reason. But I think the only time we actually center comments is if it's personal abuse and well, I usually at least it's just spam. We do get like one spamples, if these Bam bolts a week or so. That's about it, which is really lucky, like if you look at that and be forms of a spam and thrash every single day. I think it's also a little bit about the type of four members we have, because there was a really terrible flame. They be really terrible. Yeah, I mean I'm just joking. If people were popposed to be do moderate it and think our approach isn't in general to try and let people push what they want. And, like Chris said, we don't get a lot of problems from anyone on the forum, apart from the occasional spammer. was going tomeniously. We're gonna have to enter that out because it's gonna said. Anything which you needs a sensor is when people talk about trying to murder the titles of other countries? No, but really, really, that D that's well going to be a pretty free flowing conversation with all of the little secrets covered up. Yeah, okay, well, I won't mention his name. Then I think Chris is taken a bit too much credit. I think I also moderate. It's not just Christ and peaceful. In fact, Chris, I don't know if you've ever moderate anything, to be honest. Oh, don't you dare. Think you you look at them moblogs, you'll see my name. They're quite frequently. I think I would like to be my Saturday evening, you know, checking the stats on moderation. You should start giving out golden stars or something, you know, a little bit of more like moderator of the month. We had to get back to one thing we mentioned earlier, which is probably one of the best things about the forum, is that they almost have none of these people who doesn't understand that taste is subjective, like that's what that was one of the most ridiculous things about I did. It also almost ridiculous things about almost any form I've ever been...

...on before. It's just if you set some think they disagree with. It would get personal and people would just attack you and call you name for not liking a film or even for liking a film. It was so really ridiculous. Yeah, I never got that on the forums, but I'd often get comments on my list saying like you don't like Charlie Chaplin, I hope you get cancer and you're basically dog poo and that sort of put me off going to the forums or getting more involved in discussions. One of the worst things about IMDB message boards towards the end is there, with all the automation which IMDB was doing, the trolls worked out that if they reported a topic and it can't remember was either two or three. If two or three separate accounts reported a topic, it just automatically got deleted. Some of the trolls would create two or three accounts report a topic, and I'm just thinking main post, but all of the replies and they would get deleted. Oh, with things like the horror challenge that we did on the horror message board each year, person at the end of it had to create the original post, reply to it, then delete the original post and order that if his original post got deleted, everybody else is want to get deleted ORSO. It really got a bit crazy towards the end and it was only because IMDB didn't want to make anybody an unpaid moderator. Or tons of people are prepared to volunteer to do it and the form could have survived with that, but they didn't want to have volunteers doing it, so they just blew it up instead. But you know, it's for the best because I seem forms better and I don't think I would have found it otherwise. That reminds me I really hated the courting an IMDB as well. I'm trying to forward to different topics. That was one of the big things that put me off, apart from the incredible amount of posts. Do you have it in nested more? Because they had nested mode flat mode, which was impossible to follow, and there was a thread and there was inline, but nested was usually the best. My first win to ICM form and it was on Zita boards. A lot of trouble following that because the whole quoted thing on Zita boards was absolutely insane the way it did it, and actually almost registered with ICM forum probably a couple years before. I'm DB shut down because they were doing the doubling the cannon exercise also, and I seem form but I just couldn't get my head around the whole zita design. But of course I eventually did and now we've got something even better which has been designed by peaceful using some of the free software out there. They have completely forgotten about all of the fantastic maple discussions of the forums about just how you saw the pose, like miss the versus inland versus flat. That is just incredible to hear this again. Yeah, I use nested to. It was really great and that's probably one of the main reasons why I didn't even go on that many other forums, originally because it was such a much easier way to see conversation. But that was also because there were so many bloody poles and so much of it just wasn't interesting. By the way, up that topic with work was that we have a general topic, then it would be one or two poles and you would have complete conversations under this with like hundreds of posts until it broke. It was bizarre and insane. Essentially, he tread could work as its own massive subforum with often to see these re re re like I think that every time we replied and went one in you, we get one read and then if you reply to through to this realize just which part of the conversation you were in. Did actually have that problem initially, Chris, but they got rid of it, and not only do the one race. So I got a bit smarter towards the end. Actually redesigned some of IMDB message boards towards the end and actually gave us avatars and everything, and was sort of bit disappointedly shot it down because all the new changes only came in twelve, maybe at the most eighteen...

...months before I got shot down. Yeah, the real thing to get fixed up, which was sort of interesting because me and my friend or honor would sort of just do re re re re re anyway and sort of add them in ourselves. But the system managed to automate it by the end. And no one has really mentioned elephant in the room either, that the death of the IMDB board could kinda be blamed the number some because says, you know, I'm has, I'm bought up IMDB, and they supposed just thought that the message board just weren't worthwhile revenue. I probably agree with that. Know when the boards were getting shut down, a lot of people were posting and the help section and saying things. Well, I thought this many films through Amazon, specifically because I found out about them on the message boards. But they still didn't care about it. Number of users using the message board compared to the number of site visits were minute, I think, was less than two a point one percent, depends how you measure that. Could somebody refreshing a page or looking at it when they're not logged in, if that counts as a unique visit? Of course is going to be more unique visits by people aren't going to the message boards anyway. The arm stats from them at the time said, yeah, it wasn't really worth investing in and it was probably ruining the reputation of the website because they probably had more trolls and anywhere else on the Internet. Yeah, pretty much, if it's just a massive side expense from really that didn't really make sense from profit Modeim but it's still so strange that the most active film forums on the web just all got shut down because of that. It's just bobbles for mind. A little bit, even though it's also makes complete sense. Actually sort of wonder what might happen with Adam and Lauren in a few years time if they end up selling out to a big company, selling off the message board, sort of like the way coals done with IMDB. I'm sure it's not going to happen, but they thought has crossed my mind. Are you going to sell off to B Big Corporation? Guys? Well, we've already turned down, I think, about twenty offers. I think, Lauren, we care more about the forum than about the money. I think Lauren wanted to accept a couple of the offers, but I managed to persuade her that the community was more important. I also think that Christ and soul have higher expectations of how much the forum is work from how big the forum is. Done, Lauren, I do well. Always think about ICM form as being the largest movie form still out on the Internet. Are assume that's actually worth something. Brings more film fans together than any other movie on that I know about. Yeah, I don't know if I'm really getting as many office to sell it as he's claiming. We did get an offer to merge for. I'm actually it's her husband one real offer, but that was not for money. What's intriguing, and you've managed to maintain your independence. Now we are stronger than ever. Yes, together we stand united. It's good to know for all standing united. A build a FENAICM for him to the debt to sure, if I see them from is the very biggest film forum of all, that there are a couple of those imdb survivors that are still have comparable traffic, I think, but the type of comments I see there is a lot more similar to what film general used to do, and this is the one thing we haven't mentioned, but there's the repetition and the kind of pointless types of posts that doesn't really add too much. You know, you'll see like the weekly call for top hundred listery. Just see the most obvious questions, whereas sometimes am form you have dedicated threats, you can ask specific things and get answers almost immediately and it will actually have longer good discussions about any topic under the some whereas these forms are more about just one liners and having a bit of random from which we do to. We have threads for that, but that's not what the entire form is about. But I think it's one thing, same thing, and that just turn this off. Over the actual sadness and Traumas we're talking about earlier, which is just over the last I would say, five or...

...even ten years, you've seen that complete and utter decline of films forms out there. Like it's not just I'mly be like you mentioned, an introview, also talking about movie. We're also talking about so many others, including some of the great offshoots of film general, like ft two and Fgthree, which were also some of the best, the most active forms out there for years, and today just all that many forms in the more especially if you look at real in depth conversations and communities like it. Just almost have it. So do anyone want to guess why that happened? I think there's been a rise in social media sites since I read it. Everyone wants instant replies, often very short posts, and I think traditional forums aren't very certain to that. You have to dedicate more time to get anything out of them. Also, like IMDB, took away the commenting on this some things to make a facebook comment thing. Basically they switched everything over to wanting people to comment on facebook. So once again you actually find that we can't blame, I'M ASL for pushing film fans over to facebook. I think even without Amazon, there probably as a general trend towards kind of instant applies and everything. So I don't think it's just an Amazon problem. I think various forums are closing and maybe what younger people want to do online in terms of posting is different from what I would have been in my generation. When I grew up, when you went online, it was all traditional forums. FACEBOOK didn't even get big until I was at university or at the end of school. So I think there's a bit in the STYGIA for traditional forums. For my generation, at least four people who actively posted on them. I'm not sure if younger people, teenagers now, most of them, are that interested in traditional forums, or maybe they just haven't had much experience with them. Even if you look at a kind of comments and posts on the IMDB facebook page and stuff like that, it's basically just hashtags, one word comments, just likes images. It's just quick, instant. They don't want the long discussions and things like that. Fund its even true if you go to little boxed, which you can find some really great and slightful reviews on it. On average, I would say around to third of the reviews I just one line comments or somebody making a joke about the film or just watched in cinema with so and so. A lot of people are logging films and talking about them differently to, I guess, the way we were, or what way I was when growing up. Like Adam, facebook didn't exist until as at university, and even then I managed to avoid being sucked into the social network. I think there are still young people who do have a lot to say and would make good posts on traditional forums. I just don't know if there are enough forms around or if there's enough interest. In general. I don't think we can say that all young people just want to do at Hashtag quests and everything. There's always going to be people who have a lot to contribute. You just depends on if they can find the websites to do or if they are interested in them nowadays. Yeah, I think that you know to look at letter box. That's centrally replaced IMDB. In some ways it's probably one of the main competitors and obviously don't. There are four of it that do have the reviews and you do see a lot of really good faulty content there. But again it's just also found that probably the biggest film reviews that has so many oneliners. Yeah, and your could just made a comment that there's lots of old people who just do hashtag posts as well. So I think it's not about age in terms of how much people can contribute. I just think there's about platforms that are available or that are prominent with different age groups, because I think there's probably lots of people who, even if traditional forms are only option, there's probably lots of people who would only pusted one sentence I I am or not give out big film of views over. So I think it's less generational in terms of what they're able to contribute on more about the changing nature...

...of the Internet. Or maybe it's not even same thing. I think what the just describe lost time the day forums thing. I agree with Adam that a lot of it's about the availability and that there aren't those message boards out there that people could find easily. The man Lauren probably need to advertise. I see him form a bit more, I don't know, but if it was may be better known. Maybe would get more people coming along there. But I think there are really the well known movie forums out there that they were when I was growing up. I mean even when I went to university and I was doing film studies for a little bit. If when you about the IMD meet message boards, I don't know if I see him. Form is quite as well known in that way. And we are probably the biggest forum out there at the moment. Yeah, or at least the biggest forum for actual film discussion among fildfters in fact, like people actually watch a lot of films that want to discuss them in details. That don't think there's any forum bigger than us in that specific needs out there. We are at least the biggest I checked movies forum. That's one thing I will claim. I think that's one thing why. But we are quite big, but we also quite small because we started off as like a fan forum for I check movies. So it brought in a very specific, a thick type of person rather than people who wanted to just talk about film with very kind of list obsessed and spreadsheet obsessed and very focused on I checked movies rather than films, although we've kind of gone more broad now. It does perfect point, Lauren, because when the first started there was a really clear kite of film by favorite. Attracting it is people who are really obsessed with list and people really wanted to do anything listable, anything about statistics, and that was really weird. But at that point you didn't really have the discussions and I think it was when first a film general off shoes, like after two in fdy three started dying off and those regular started coming over. And then they get an IMDB actually killed off the forum and the hordes of imdb pollsters joined that the really started to change as a forum and got a lot more quality discussion. Yeah, I look, I wasn't around in the early days of ICM forum, but I think it has evolved and become a more general form. Now we've got a number of active users who use the forum but actually aren't registered at Icem. They just use it because they know that it's the best place to talk about movies or the best place to list fivezero films in a whole lot going to mention who that is. There are some people out there without ICM accounts who just like using the form that discussed movies. The I think what I seem form has done since two thousand and seven is they've actually feel old. That gap was taken away by IMDB because over the time it wasn't all instantly, but over the course of two thousand and seventeen until the end of the year, I started noticing more and more names of people who are recognized from the IMDB message boards and I think a lot of the cross pollination with the doubling, the cannon exercise and done on both forms, sort of introduced people to ICM forum. So they sort of knew about it and you that was one of the other options out there. I think we have become a much more general form. Of course everybody does keep referencing I checked movies, but I think we've really expanded beyond that. I actually think one of the problems nowadays is because you're getting sites like I am to be quistion down the official forum. I think one of the problems is trying to attract new users. I think that's the problem for every forum nowadays, because there are no longer officially attached to massive websites. It's a real struggle to actually get anyone to sign up and even like the IMDB clones, I'm sure you have thousands of users, but people have to actively search for them. So if you take away the element of forums being attached to a big film website, then you really are struggling to tract an audience. I think that's why nowadays it's even harder for forums to get new members. I mean our forum, for example, when I am DB closed, maybe twenty or thirty people joined them...

...became regulars. So we kind of the light on the big forum closing just to get more people. But without that you're picking up fusers here. And are there not a lot of new act the funes and so just mentioned more than fairy imdb users. I don't know the exact number, but the amount of I'm to be users have stuck around this regulars, I would say it's probably maybe twenty or so who post a lot rather than people who just brows the forum and posted very occasionally. Right with that that, I'm would say twenty two thirty that became hardcore regulars. But I also think that almost half or even more of all of the film General Regulars, in classic film regulars at least signed up and are participating from that times we get a lot of these people who use ICM forum as the main form of one of the remain forums, but obviously we'll always have a select group of absolute regulars will post every single day. But I think that you hit the nail very, very well there. But was talking about how, when you don't have a massive website holding everything up, it's really hard to track new visits. I haven't even thought of this. I think this is probably the main reason why forums did because if you look at the main forums, people used to be on two again die in B forums, movie rotten tomatoes. Those were massive, massive websites, and now that these places don't have forms in them, or at least a thin rotten tomatoes don't have forms in them, or if they do, they're probably pretty dead. When all of these websites has lost their forums, but rid of their forums, there was just no new source of regulars, and this is also one of those things we talked a little bit about before and it's probably one of the reasons why, I seem form is so strong as it is, because on every other form I've ever been on, there was this core group of twenty something people and you see a lot of teenagers do so. You'd get a lot of say, sixteen to twenty five a year old posters, and these are the type of posters will watch a lot of films during high school and college and in their early years working, but then to get married, they settled down and they get less time to post. But for the ICM form, I think the majority of posters are well over dirty and I think like every single person has been on this podcast as well, except Clem, has been over dirty. So I think we have a lot more less stability. Ye have the people who actively want to participate even though they have set down. Oh yeah, I see that Lauren saying that she's not dirty yet. So okay, even their co founds be quite thirty, but everybody else essentially are. So that's definitely something that makes our form a lot more different. I might just mention I'm actually watching more films now since I've joined I check movies. Just with the I check movies and the ICM forum and all the challenges there, I've actually got a reason to be watching a film. Before I joined ICM forum I would spend sometimes up to forty five minutes or now who through my DVD's going on. What do I feel like watching? As with all the challenges that we have going on on the I check movies forum. I've always got something lined up that I can settle down and view. So I'm what, watch at least one and a half times as many films per year as I was doing, say, four or five years ago. Oh Yeah, have definitely on the complete the other way, but that's more about this how much time I have in my personal life. Yeah, the year before we started the forum I watched about three hundred films and then the next two years I watched a thousand films each year. It's died down a lot now, but when we first started I didn't start watching films. I think there was a month for Lauren watched about two million horror films as well, so that may be connected to forums and challenges. It was three hundred and six. Sorry, I was wrong and I've been pressed to remember that number two and that's probably that one of the highest numbers of films anyone has ever seen, and it's so impressive. I'm actually the third most watched on the DVD talk forums for the horror challenge, so there's people have beat me before, so it's not that impressive, but you're not accused of being a cheater on that forum. As well. Or Am I remembering in correctly? Yeah, there are a few people...

...who said that it was impossible, but I was like I'd planned it all out in a spreadsheet how many hours per day I was going to be watching them and I'm not going to cheat anyways, like what am I going to get out of it? But they said that everyone who watches more than like two hundred and fifty basically gets accused of being cheater. But I go back every year, so I think that. I don't think that anymore. Where you've been. You have another forum, Lauren, only in October. Borderline acceptable. Will forgive you the guy. Remember Adam being mad that I would go to ivvy forums. I would go to theft three for a while to. So we have a lot of I SAM for a patriotism. I guess most of it is joking. Okay, I love that tone. Most of it is joky and just want to have that people. The dedication that the lawn shoulder planning everything off is French. It's just a perfect example of the type of user that they have. All Nice. I'm fortunate with a lot of people who are incredibly dedicated that way. And then, of course we also have the hordes of people from ily be that are quite different. It's such a really great and fun mix. Anything you're looking for, you pretty much fine. If you talked about the beginning of this episode, we'll be exploring a lot of trauma, of sadness. They don't really think we have been talking about a lot of trauma and a lot of sadness, and that's in large part because we have the ICM forum. was quite devastating in a way when the IMDB message board shot down. As I mentioned earlier on, I grew up on it was something that I would do after school or at school during a free study period, and when it shut down I didn't know exactly what to think because I'd been a member of it for literally half my life and really was a big life change up with a lot of changes. You know, they are for the better and they might have been a bit of trauma to begin off with. I managed to settle down quite easily with the ICM forum, so feeling quite as traumatized now. I know some of my friends didn't handle that well. I'd want for in particular, who kept messaging me. You know, he was there at the final part with or pulling everything around. Parts of it were disappearing and I was just like, I don't really have time for that in my life. But it was quite a bit of a life changer. I think that the reading to me was that I was gone from them, before them, for such a long time. I was really active there from like two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, up with maybe be two thousand and eight nine, and then I became less and less of a regular because the trolls were taking over, the conversations weren't that interesting and I had been joining other forums, including the film general offshoots, which were absolutely fantastic. The I think I was far more sad when, say, ft three before the final film general, after it slowly started the climbing and they were less and less both. I think I was far more sad by that, even though it was a longer burned than dying to be board, though, ironically, I had the started posting again on the is the B board a few months before that notice game. There's one thing. Some of that activity back. So that was very odd timing. Actually a very interesting point, Chris, because my activity, and I'm DB, did also drop down towards the end I was pretty much literally only posting once a week with my weekly viewings on the weekly thread there, if everybody anybody responded to would reply. I wouldn't really respond to any other threads because they would all get hit up by trolls or the Peo Law on the classic film board were the ones who really wanted to be discussing with because of get all defensive and everything if you started knocking one of their favorites. So yeah, towards the end my activity was very low. I was maybe three post at most per week. As when I first start off, when I was fourteen or fifteen, I would be doing, you know, twenty or thirty posts today. And then when you come to ICM forum, I'm at over eightzero posts over three and a half years. Obviously there's much more discuss now then I felt there was, or felt that I was comfortable doing towards the end of IMDB's days. Yeah, I think you're spot on.

Their solved. It's so much easier to share your opinion on the new forum and it's so much easier I shouldn't even send. He's been around from was a decade, but it's still much easier to talk to people there did don't have that extreme a residents. So that's definitely one of the things that makes I see from so special. I think the pretty much covered almost everything you want to do. There isn't really any sadness and they seem to be pretty good and the Im from is honestly, it's stronger than ever. I'd say we have such a great care user base now that there's nothing I really missed properly. There any part of ICIM form, which I find a little bit stressful, but I'm going to try and rework it this year, setting up the challenge schedule, which I've been doing for the last few years, and just get some really interesting and very passionate comments in there. And then people start commenting on the results of the pole before the poll is finished and there's still three weeks left to go and they're like, I can't believe this topic is winning or whatever. So I'm thinking about reading it for this year to make it's slightly stressful, but I know there's a lot of really passionate people about certain things that are like to challenge us on. I think we also covered vicious cycle. That ended the majority of forums. So we have the major websites shutting them down and we have the forum users simply disappearing because they didn't have as much time to post them. With less activity is less post with listening members coming in seeing the post as as people wanted to stay. I think I'm just so happy that, I say, in form has managed to last for almost a decade. We have a ten year celebration coming soon. It's fantastic that we never really got that dip. I think some people started to be a little bit worried before there and being forms closed down, that we were just reasonably active at that point, but we got so many fantastic regulars and now we're just dreamy active at all times. I think there's a number of problem as well where there's a lot of this. Quite a few small forums, I think there are left, that cover the same kind of topic, as I see them, for them and people like to stick their own community. So there's probably still a few that we don't know about. This probably still quite a few small forums, but the idea of can emerge in them all together sounds great, but I think people like to attend their own forum, name you know, if a bigger forum came along and try to merge fuss, I'm sure that we would be against it. That so true as well. There's just pro is such a large amount of small forums with this very, very elective, with the other people still cleaning on, like I know that. Like I kept posting, for instance, ft three for a long time after it's almost no activity. So that's definitely still going on. And those some posters there who never really went anywhere else, and that's also sad. So I really do hope that if anyone who's on an active forum listen to this, that he's with join your dicm forum, because it will do you good. You know it, to be on the left their forum again. It's sad to see forms die and it's hard to let go, but you know that's what happens. See, I get. All we can say is thank you, Adam a lauren, for setting up the forum and thank you for all of your work over the last few years. You're welcome, Christ, and thank you for being there from the start. I'm being a moderator and thank all of our wonderful users for keeping it alive and as wonderful as it is, and people, if you actually want to know the full background, story to how the ICM forum was started, and there's some pretty juicy and almost extreme and unbelievable things in there. Do you join us again next week when Saul and I will interview Adam Lauren and they will take us on one hell of a ride. We will discuss how they set up the forum, the obstacles and worse in their way and how we got the forum we have today. So thank you for listening, guys, and join us again soon. You have been listening to talking images, the official PODCAST OF ICM FORUMCOM.

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