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Episode 13 · 1 year ago

The Bizarre Origins of ICMForum.com

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Can anything really go wrong if you just want to chat about films? Well ... yes it can!

In this episode ICMForum.com co-founders Adam & Lauren are back to talk about the bizarre origins of ICMForum.com.

You are listening to talking images, the official podcast of ICM Forumcom. Every one, and this will be a very special episode. It will actually play out as both and interview of two great people and, I'm mad and Exciting Oregon story that you might not even believe. Today I'm joined by the founders of ICM, formcom themselves, Lauren and Adam, or, as you might know them on the forum, mighty sparks and Wow Adam H, which of course, also our record producer. This is the official podcast off icy. I'm FORMCOM and I am also one of the moderators. If you listening to our previous podcast episode about the kind of forums, you get a pretty good idea. No, will love this form. We love what we do here. So this may turn into a little bit of a circle art, but we will try and not to. I mean you can trust Sol myself to ask them all the hard questions, such as how it feels to have great the one of the best and most active film forms on the Web. And there's how great this to be them? Oh, yes, you know they will be blood. So let's just jump right into it. Adam and Lauren can introduce themselves and just give a very quick pitch as to why someone would want to join ICM Forumcom and we can start with Lauren. So I'm Lauren. My spots and the ICM form is a really diverse group of people, from people who are obsessed with spreadsheets and lists and challenges to people just want to discuss all kinds of films and everything about film. So it's basically for everyone. I'm Adam, also non very originally as adamage on the forum. I would add to what Lauren said and say it's about discussing films, but it's also a community and people are very supportive of everyone else on there. So it's a good community to be part of. where, as all of us mentioned in the previous episodes, als of one of the very few people who don't have all these angry people want to drag you down at every single turn. This forsliking a film. That's pretty special had. Thank you again for setting that up, guys. So before we jump into the questions, we can just introduce ourselves as well. No, I've already gone. You heard my voice, but we need to be this thing every single time where, you know, all of the cohosts actually introduces them selves doesn't. You can know their voice and the recognize them. So, even though his person been in every single episode, I believe it's so all we don't introduce yourself and just tell us how we found the forum. I'm so long. I'm thirty three years old from Australia. I came across I see him forum for the first time when we're doing the doubling the cannon exercise on the Classic Film Board on IMDB, and then when I'm DB shut down its forums at to look elsewhere to find somewhere to post and I see him. Form was a godsend and I migrated there very quickly and I've been very happy there since and I am competing at the moment to try and get the most posts on the board. So how many are you opting now? Can we go checks? I've got an open in one of the windows here. Okay, I'm currently at Eightzero seven hundred and forty five posts. According to these statistics, I've posted six point nine seven posts per day. My posts make up one point three five percent of all the posts on the forum. Yeah, that's pretty extremely complete. Must Call you a forum superfand have the studs love for status. Also one thing. You'll notice this from so many members do. I also have to say I did not. I was one of the original members. I think I was member number seven, joining on May six, two tous eleven, and you almost beaten this all. I'm just at ten poundsand eight hundred and seventy eight that this point. So it's just yeah, you going to be the every single person on that forum. Well, maybe you'll see if I keep posting at this right over the next few years. I am member number one thousand, three hundred and forty three, which sounds like a lot, but I guess it just goes to show how popular the website is. Will have to do. Think they help out seventeen hundred members plus. But breathe this toward Adam and Lauren and if well, to start off with a question that probably would seem easy, but maybe ittle more co complicate...

...that. So this. How did you too first meet? Well, I joined the facebook group for I check movies in two thousand and ten ish and Adam was already on there, but we didn't really talk until it was the end of the year and me him and John I was up late one night and we started doing plays on names of the top to fifty movies and basically going, you know, like Lauren, happened one night or one flew over Adams nest and we spend like three hours doing that and then we started talking from there. Okay, well, I met Lauren in the same way that she met me. That the perfect way to the summer from the counter. So obviously this started so many things long term. But we promised you a bit to for show here. It probably do something a little bit more or extreme. We promised you a wards, you promised your hardship. I am very intrigued by all of this. I want to go all the way back to the very beginning of how this entire community came together. It's a little bit strange and when I talked about before this pot you started it may even turn into a little bit of an interrogation. So let's take it back to the very, very, very beginning. IS SAC movies itself. When they did join and when did you get the invite for the facebook group and begin to start alluding to a certain character who, for the purpose of this podcast, will be known ASS AL? When, and I think Adam actually had a very first encounter there because his relationship to the Mr figure known as the Holl went all the way back pre ICM, to a specific facebook group actually. So to talk a little bit about that. Adam. Okay, I may not remember the timelines perfectly. I'm sure Lauren has all listed in a spreadsheet. I started working on the I'm to beat top two fifteen. I joined the facebook group and a few of us were regulars on there. I'm not sure how many of us actually made it to seem in the end, but I know John was on there, owls on there and there was a couple of others from the old days and we were regularly posting to say we'd watched, you know, certain films. And then John made the some of the infamous quote about who he was fourteen and he nailed to top to fifty at some point. And Yeah, so what happened? I started looking for a website to track the top to fifty and I actually found one. I can't remember the name. I mean when I joined the facebook group and must have been end up reason and eight or started to visit a name and I join I found a website which all it was was you were tracking the top to fifty, so you just had to like click on each film, each see and it give you a number. That was it. And then I started thinking. You know, I I work at other lists, so I started looking for other options and I found I checked movies and then I started telling people about it. So I remember I told Al about it for like about four months or something before he eventually joined, and I think I got other people to join as well. I mean, if I check, I ended up joining fifth of November. There's the name and I think the website hadn't been around for that long before then. Actually. Yeah, what happened? So a few of us have posted on there. Oh, and I started speaking about the idea of creating an eye checked movies facebook group and then there was about six, five or six of us from the top to fifty group that ended up creating the facebook I cauld movies group, and the idea was supposed to be that I would be the Admin. So he was the one that clicked create, which, in case people are not aware, the act of cooking career on facebook actually involves about probably a hundred thousand hours of work. You know, just two normal people. You think you just click ahead and make people. So there's a misconception, unfortunately, online is quite sad. There's a misconception that clicking that button creates a group in your dad and the groups created. But what the reality? What I think? I think facebook is actually changed over the years. So any younger listeners, they're not going to be at the Rowight to this. In order to click that button, you have to first of all come up with policies, and I'll decided to come up with tenzero words of policies. You also decide come up with a questionnaire. So I'm not joking about any of this actually. So he came up with a questionnaire. So there was about five of US plus Ole John was one of them, and there was some others, and I'll sent round this massive questionnaire and we had to answer every single question about the facebook group. And I remember at that stage it was agreed I would be...

...the CO admin. I'd be given you still on facebook he used to get officer titles which, sad as it might seem, became big drama. So I was supposed to co Admin. And then I also remember one person hadn't applied to the message and there was you know, I'll want our launched a big investigation into it, but he's been. In the end it turned out the guy was on holiday, so I was a bit more lenient with him. But John, who was fourteen at the time, you know, he hadn't applied at all, or I think he ends up the playing with it one sentence or something, and that result in him getting jokey titles because I was I was seriously not impressed by his lack of commitment. And that's pretty much the story of how the group started originally, and I know that I was then in touch with the guys on I check moviescom and they agreed that he could start an unofficial I can't move his facebook group, which I'll claimed it was officially an unofficial I take move his facebook group and that's that's the back story as to how the group came about. I'm not sure it doesn't spen. An unofficial facebook group been an officially unofficial facebook group, but what we had wasn't officially unofficial facebook group, and that's an important distinction. That the ear became the early tagline of this show as well. If you want the exact story, I think I'm not sure. He messaged it to someone. I don't know if it was Chris or someone else? But he sent a message. Was it your Chris that you message? You were. Was Not you that he missed message to say it was an unofficially officially unofficial a lot the people of the people. Yeah, he said a message saying this is just one I took move. This group is officially an official facebook group and other people are welcome to start up new ones, but no one took up. Yeah, lovely. So Laura, just cut you in here as well. What's your first memory of you? You need to facebook group and of course, the mysterious how I first noticed that he liked to talk a lot, but first he seemed, you know, really friendly, and that's what I liked about the facebook group is, you know, rather than IMDB with all the death threats, it was very friendly and playful and nice and stuff like that. But as the time went on he did get very like authoritative of all the other Admin type people on there. And but I didn't really see any of this behind the scene stuff because I wasn't involved as a moderator or anything like that. I think the morning sims that they called all of the moderator's officers. Yeah, I actually remember John Like I said John John Got Jockey titles and he keep changing them. And actually, before I get into that, Casper was the and then I remember the exact name. Casper was something like that. I check movies integrity consultant or something. Lauren must remember it. I remember us. It's basically Castpros in charge of, you know, people cheating. CASPERS. That's my to say that rock. It was something like I wish I could remember there the exact thing, but yeah, he was something like I just said. You know, it was albout. It was kind of like a jockey over the top title. But based on that joke, I'm going to be nice. I'm sorry to be generous. There's the shooting, like shaking films. You have been seen. Is that what he meant by cheating? Yeah, so if you want, if you want that, that's the number of stories. So facebook groups have changed now. So many years ago they were done different way and you used to have like there was another section on the group that you could go on and it was kind of like a forum, but on facebook. So you can start up topics. How was very, very, very serious about well, about every single thing in the world, but in particular he was serious about people cheating and as one of the topics on the facebook group he set up, and it was called Huh, people may be checking movies they haven't actually seen. Yeah, well, the Question Mark Exclamation r question mark exclamation mark puts US become a running joke on the forum and he posted, I can't remember it exactly, but he posted a massive post. There was also, as part of that, there was another famous lens in the forum, which was what constitutes a check. He had, I think he had a list of different things. You know, does it count as a check if you're watching a film for two hours and you're not completely concentrating? Does it count if you know you're in the cinema but you've left for five minutes to get popcorn and come back? Is that a check? You know if the film is in color, you saw him black and white or vice versa? Basically every single scenario under the sun. I mean, are the subtitles aren't absolutely perfect design check? You know everything you can think of. Maybe you know. Maybe you looked away from the screen for five seconds. Is that still it's I might just jump in and just say I think it would have...

...been really interesting talking to our because I really want to do a film purism podcast at some stage talk about you know, do you actually sit down and watch a film without looking away? Because some people, like Tom is a film purest and I'm not. I watch a film bits and pieces of I can't do it in one go. So I think it's interesting. I don't know how much I've debated to death, but I think it's interesting. Our topic definitely miniseries with our yeah, I mean I think so. I was giving our little bit too much credit. I don't think it's because he was a film purest. I think it's because he liked to control things and I think its wording. This note what we talk about when we talk about hitting too, because isasink ruth has a very tiny function of the site, which is just people's ranking is based on how many films their sex. That are all the wrong official lists and when what he meant by theaters are people who shaped films they hadn't seen to our seating was like a gain neuin crime and it's important to just realize that. He and others, and he would have his office there, is do this. Would map out every single film that in some way was unavailable or might not be available like, for instance, I feel has only been shown in the cinemas, and they would try to catch people who might not have been able to go to that cinema. So there would be so much suspicient and follow ups and messaging people like they would be have long rands on this dread about this horrible, horrible, horrible feather who couldn't have seen this film because it hadn't been shown. Then they cats never realized it was a seven year old woman and they had been essentially saying terribleness of things about her four days. So it's this, this, it's what's it? Extreme insanity. Yeah, just to give a little bit more backdrop. So Lauren wasn't as active in the story at the start, which is why I'm talking so much. But why ended up happening was out kept changing John's officer title because because John Hadn't complete the questionnaire and he, and I'll felt that John was not contributing enough as a fourteen year old to the facebook group and in protest, so John Messaged how and then eventually, in protest, John ended up quitting the facebook group. And then there was also, again, I have to mention it in this was this was like eleven years ago or something. So there was also a running saga where I'll also sounds quite very sad now bringing it up, actually speaking rather than typing about it, but I was supposed to be the co Admin on the website and I think I ended up removing my title and we end up in the bag. There was a bit, there was a lot of various arguments and after after John quit, I also ended up quitting. But that of the reason why he removed your titles because you weren't contributing enough and he was speaking against his authority. Yeah, actually, in John's case he wasn't contributing, but in my case it was because I I so I sent a message. So he wasn't. I don't think he was. Yeah, he contributions. Was One of the issues. But on that cheaters topic on the facebook group he'd written this massive thing and he talked about felony cheater. So it wasn't. You know, there's different levels of cheaters and one of them was felony cheater and I ended up applying or messaging them and saying, you know, maybe maybe we're taking the whole cheekers from the website thing at tiny bit too seriously and yeah, I'll ended up incredibly angry at the trail from me and all of that. Contributor to John and I quitting the a check movies group and at that point I don't think Lauren was. Lauren would have been a member, but I don't think. I don't know if we'd actually spoken at that point. I can't remember. Po Poem. I remember you going very quiet on the group for a long time and then, yeah, we didn't speak until months after all that happened. Thinking was one of the infamous silent protests Laurena, where we would just not post anything or do anything for a few days and hope that someone noticed are absent. You know, it was a long time ago. It's Lord. What was the first point you started realizing that something will slightly strange? Share Woll well, I said he did post very authoritative stuff and I thought the cheating thing was a little over the top, but I didn't really realize how bad it was until we actually started the form and I started getting messages from him. I think. I think for me, because I remember Adam quitting and then quitting and they set up like this mini facebook group on the side because the people. They were talking the most do and most of US stayed members because we didn't really think these things were as big at heal, you know. We thought, okay, this...

...guy's a little bit over the top, but everyone else, and I it's this lots of different opinions, it's fun, there's no point in actually leaving. But then something started getting more and more and more bizarre, like we're going to get to the final blow a little bit later. But I remember then no Adam was actually saved the quote, which is fantastic, but I remember it. I don't know if also the sheeters or just like the rules for some pool or some example they had had there, but I remember typing that I thought some of the rules were a little bit excessive and that to get people to participate and have be a little more fun, we could just hin down the rules a little bit. Having this resulted in just at least one a four page message about how negative of was now the ruling, the atmosphere and how everything was so terrible. And it has the most insane quote in it where he says, it's very seriously worded as well by the way, about how we, I made him feel. And then, yeah, the then it's like I threw a party and you show up to the party uninvited. I let you in, but then you instantly start to drink all my bare trash my place and flirt with all my women. And this it's also love the fact that they wrote my women, which is also this. So plody work. So yeah, after all that happened, John and I created a new facebook group which had a very original title, which was movies, and we invited the small number of other people who we knew already and Lauren ended up joining, Chris joined caspers there and a couple of hours and then that became a very active group. We would talk all the time, very rarely about movies. Yeah, there was discussions intil seven am about Larry, random stuff. And then it's some point along the Line Lauren and I started discussing the idea of creating and I checked movies forum and the actually unofficial a chink moves forum, because, you know, the facebook group it's not the greatest platform for the discussions. At some point they also changed face to facebook groups and made it worse for discussions. But also to join the facebook group someone has to have a profiled, a real name. You know, obviously it could create a fake one. I wasn't a great platform, you know, having people posting a review on them. So I think I think it should always be optional. I don't think it should be so easy for people to find out who everyone else's and we felt there was a lot of potential to create a forum for the website and I think also the facebook group would often go off topic. It was usually like it would start off about movies and I would just descend into jokes and other things, and we thought that perform would keep things more focused. Yeah, exactly, and facebook groups with instant applies and you know, it just turns into joke, a bit of a joke. I think it has to be part of the story, because that as movies the facebook group stayed up, we also got more and more everge teeth from the officially unofficial Isaac Movies facebook group as well, because I'll kept escalating and that's leading. I had a crazy stuff he was pulling. Yeah, and what was what was quite sad was we decided to create the forum just because we fought. We thought that the forum was a good idea. I think you know, I'd mentioned it to a couple people before and we wanted it to be a forum where everyone could join, kind of originate everyone because, as it was, it was a very strange time. And unfortunately, when the news got out that we wanted to create a forum, that it escoated the conflict and, you know, I'll thought that we were doing it to get back at him, for revenge and, you know, a total we actually said to each other if I'll join the forum, he's he's what. You know, he was welcome to join. Basically, we wanted to unite everyone and have one platform where we can all discuss and yeah, unfortunately, I'll didn't really look at it exactly like that. We sort this kind of being side by side the facebook group, not a replacement. Yeah, sorry, that's true. I didn't mean one platform for it. It was supposed to be you could continue to post on facebook, but you'd also have the option of putting on a forum if you wanted something. I've got a ask you guys get permission from the guys that I seem before calling it Icem Forum? Yeah, we did. Yeah, so, okay. Yeah, I mean that's another long story which I'm not going to go into a most detail, but we saw the facebook group. Originally, you know, our got permission for that to use a name and when we decided to start beforeum, we also ask them for permission, the guys on Artic Moviescom, and they said yes, and at that point it wasn't, I seem forum it was. When we first started, we were do it officially,...

...unofficial. I checked me before I'm and the website was unseat the boards and they said yes, basically as long as it was unofficial, and they were quite positive when we first mess them. But then unfortunately it was the conflict kind of had a big impact on our everything. I think they came up a little bit more reluctant to get involved because it's seen the dramas and it got various messages from people though facebook and it was quite sad. It's a bit of a shame that, I see him for him and the official I check movie as website don't have of a stronger relationship because I think I'll form does more to promote members towards I check movies than any other website on the whole of the Internet. I mean, Lauren can jump in as well. Our idea from the start was to have an official forum and we wanted to be linked completely to them. We wanted a link to be on the website and we were quite obsessed with the idea because we thought the reason we were so strongly what's stronger about it, was because we thought that if there was a proper linked and it was an official forum, we thought there was a huge amount of potential. I think. Yeah, once some our started messaging them and all the drama started that I checked movies, guys kind of do it aside from it, and it took US years to get a link on there with yeah, if you go on to die chect moves website, you scroll right down to the bottom, there is a section that has, you know, various pages, twitter, facebook and links like that, and there is a forum link. And after it must have been a good few years after we started, but they added a link the button. The only time that I've seen a link to ICM forum on check movies when the website's been down. Occasionally all say, you know, our website stands and mad in this. You can go on read it or you can go on I check movies forum. Sometimes it just says you can go on read it if it's down. Doesn't always say, I seem forum. So otherwise I really see it mentioned much Straw on the website, which is a shame. But it would be nice to have some more acknowledgement on there, especially with the official lists over there. We've got one official list for our forum which is five hundred, under four hundred checks. I things like our top of thousand. Considering that we do more than any other website to promote it, might be in a nice gesture if we had more official lists on there from our forum. Yeah, but I do think, though, that our relationship with them improved a lot over the years so that the dramas that just bact. For sure, it seemed a bit immature and it was a bit immature because this war that started was just that really a ridiculous that. It's sad and it did ever happened and it's just it's just mostly one person over reacting and taking it way, way, way too far, and we're going to get into some off the things. We creak up to them later. But but but then with the story, it's actually a really close and good relationship with that jech movies, in that they are eventually add the link and then they add that one of for lists as officials. Anyone can find us through there and all of them also post on the forum quite regularly. So relationship was trained at first, but then it actually became quite good. One thing I think is important is when, not as trauma was going on a start. I mean the age of the people who are involved with this. You know, we were. It was I we went from fourteen to I was putting one by the time I joined that TA movies. I think twenty one, twenty two. So it was all very you know, when the firstboo drama happened, we were all very young, apart from now, who was I don't know what it was for, he's or s or something. So you know, this stuff might sound quite immature, it might sound like ridiculous kind of drama, but we were all we were all going to school age or university age, and I think everyone can abunded over over facebook. And Yeah, I feel quite sad looking back about how it all happened. And you know, particularly with John, he was only fourteen. I think, yeah, I think, Oh yeah, don't want that worth. I think we all had immaturity, but I think we all had the right. You know, I had our heart in the right place in terms of the forum and everything. I'm wanting our community to discuss films and I think the typing got to talk about last episode two. In terms of just forums, usually being that teenager to twenty something group, and at nor forum like the majority or over dirt, and I think we are all of the most mature forums now, but back then it was just extremely immature for a little while as well. But the majority of the immaturity was coming from a man in his F S, and that's also saying something which is very, very strange because, like we said, the world there was an immaturity and that was the fact that one of the people involved in this was a fourteen year old boy. And that's also what I think I was when notice was coming down. I was twenty, twenty two, and it was this was two thousand and ten...

...right there. I was twenty, Adam was twenty one, it was I was nineteen. Yeah, Lauren was nineteen. So so it's like everyone involved was quite young. I think all of us actually quite mature about it as well. The main issue was that there was one fourth year old there and he came into some fight with Al and I don't think he was being particularly unreasonably. Was Complaining about this joke titles and I'll send a lot of abuse. One of the reason why all of this imploded reality the end it was because the fourth year old leaked the messages and they were absolutely horrifying. I think they shocked all of us. I think I left that day. I think a lot of other people also left that day. I messaged I'll personally just let him know that you know, I'm sorry. Like this, this is the group has been great, but you know, I can't and see this and I left. Some of the people in the same and I think actually the next day or that week I'll just deleted the entire group, because it's a lot like how the IMDB message boards did. They decided to delete them and I'll decided to delete his group, which I guess as then rise for ICM forum to rising up and getting better over the years. Well, I think he deleted the group within a week of a starting the forum. I think we hadn't even publicly told anyone about it. We just we invited people like Chris and Casper just to sort of test it out and be mods, and I think it was that told how about it and then, yeah, he just went crazy sort of on everybody and then, yeah, I got it, just deleted it. So it was gone before the forum really even began. I think there's so much more to this story to including the split in the so called office. There's additional facebook groups and accuse stations of all kinds coming through that videos last for a very long time, with love, really sad had bad blood, but I think in the end, though, it was like a perfect rise from fire, because that group is a disappeared. Everyone eventually came to the forum and yes, there was Tom edginess around this for a light amount of time, but slowly but surely everything started to get a lot more mature and started off quite small because we pretty much just invited all the people that we were sort of friends with in the facebook groups. And then I think Adam just started to like spam. Everyone, and I checked movies are seeing them to join. It's the best way to recruit members, pilling what the spam messages like. We had a couple issues when we started the forum. The first one was, you know, we'd wanted to be DIS official forum with a proper sort of advert and I checked movies and it didn't really happen. You know, when we did start the forum we had to just make people. We knew moderators, we had no idea how many people would join. We had no real way of getting people to drawing and I ended up messaging like the top five hundred or more users inviting them because it was kind of the only only way we could do it. If it was quite sad because if there's been a proper link up I think it would have worked different way. But in the end and a massive amount of time just trying to get anyone to join and we had no idea if we'd have a fifty users or however many out of five hundred. How many do you think join because of the message? I'd have to look. I mean I think I remember US originally invite the top one hundred and getting real excited when anyone joining. Some people would join, stick around, some would be gone straight away or some just didn't join at all. But we I don't know, maybe Lauren can answer because I'm not that sure. I don't know the exact numbers, but I mean that's what gave us enough regularly uses to keep it going and then eventually get more and I know that Adam remissaged everyone some months later and maybe again. I don't needed it a few times, I think. Yeah, it was. It was basically the case if if we didn't send messages, we would have no forum. So it took a lot to keep there wasn't security back down, though, so you didn't have to enter the code every time. You can just send a message. So He's just copying and pisting it. They did take a lot of dedication, but it was only if we hadn't done that there wouldn't be a forum today. To be honest, I just have to say that a love the fact that the main type of moderation that all of us do today this is removing spam and that the forum essentially was born out the spam. Yeah, but it seems Nice. Mom It's we're through her very plate invite and if they didn't join them, we left them alone. No, it didn't. He said this. I don't know. I'm not. I think Lauren's...

...mistaken. I think we message people maybe once or twice and now we just send a couple of invitees. But a lot of people we message weren't even active anymore on the website right take maybe so you never read it. Yeah, that actually one of the mistakes they made at the start was when people joined the forum they had to message us on I take movies to say that, to confirm that joined the forum and it wasn't someone, because we were so worried start after the facebook experiences some people with join make fake user names and ruin the site. So we made every single user message us to say and obviously a sounds ridiculous now and it was a big mistake because it would have put people off. I mean if you got to go through all those steps. What I've learned from being a Admin is you have to make it as easy as possible for people to join the forum. You know, over the years we've had various things where people at first people had the messages to join. Then we've had like the forums offline, unless you remember. You know, I try to join a different forum. I wasn't we're going to push much, but I try to join different form a couple weeks ago and I got this thing saying a message saying Admin has to approve you. Then my account ended up getting deleted with no explanation and I found out later they they're deleting everyone. Who Do you think is a spammer? So if you are doing a forum, you know, if you make it difficult for people to join, then they just won't bother you know. So that's one thing. You have to make it as easy as possible and I think we're at that. We've been at that point for a good amount of time, though, but first we did make mistakes like that and I think thought worth from hooting that. We had slightly reason to be parting that, because there was at least one person who presented himself as else, first officer, who was essentially trolling the forum and finding every way he could to attack it. So so this for a whole. The listers out there so much. We're leaving after this story, but there's also so much be, so crazy in this going on here that you can't even begin to get it too. Ask a more general question. Yeah, of course, yes. So what something which I times wonder is, do you guys tell people in your real life that started a movie for them and that it's so active, or was it something that doesn't really come up in conversation? We once joked about putting it on our resumes with that with that a joke. I had it on my I'm fact, when I got interviewed for my current job, there was an admin position. I remember I ended up getting the job of the see but the interview went went quite well and I at they're like have you got anything else to add? And I was like wow, yeah, I'm a I'm an Admin on a forum, you know, kind of make you make a connection. Yeah, you didn't. I don't know why, but you didn't go wow, that's great. They just kind of I don't even said anything back to it. Yeah, it was on my CV as well and nothing. Yeah, it's still is. I didn't know it was a joke. I don't. I didn't. The joke was like, I didn't it. Now. The joke was like that we were going to put on our CV. I'm an Admin of a forum with like one hundred members, so obviously all I put it was like in personal interest. I I just put I'm Wan to forum because actually, as like a tiny edge guy, it's all right if you brag about it, it's a bit effect, but if you just mentioned you're an Admin, at least it shows you have some kind of interests and hobbies. But yeah, a tip for anyone who is don't know. I mention in a reviewer doesn't doesn't get a brilliant this suption. But I do think, though, that when you have all of the biggest film forums, it does say a little bit more than like say, nine years ago, but it's well fifty or hundred people. Now there's over seventeen hundreds, so it's pretty big gum. Yeah, I mean I think if I was to put on the CV I have like a big film for them, people would probably chuck to Cev. And in terms of what soldier asked about telling other people in real life, I have mentioned it to people occasionally. It depends on the situation. I you know it. I normally what I do is I would normally say to people if I'm talking with the Film Forum, I'd say, you know, we've met people all over the world for it, because it makes it sound a little bit more you know, it sounds like a bit more close show the fact that has been a world wide meetings so many different countries. That's the kind of thing I would mention, like we've done for Um holidays, we've done for meet UPS. So in those occasions I would say that I know the people through the film forum, but I wouldn't normally just go roun telling everyone I am an Admin on the forum number number one. Yeah, I do bring it up with some people, usually if from friends with people. I mentioned the form because I usually talk about form drama with people and but, but, I mean you, I don't just go are by the way, I'm admit of a film form, but when people find out that I'm into movies and I become friendly with them, I usually do end up bringing it up and I do talk about the fact that we've met people all over the world and I also sometimes, you know, use examples of say, like with the covid nineteen, about how...

...different it is in the different countries as opposed to here. So it's nice to have that sort of reference. It's not news, it's actually people's personal lives. Yeah, exactly, and I think what's amazing when we started the forum back in Wat Thousand and eleven, we had absolutely no idea that suddenly, you know, people have been meeting all over the world and everything. So it's been a really amazing it's been an amazing part of the forum. I mean I've met people in London, I've met them. Well, we're into Malta, Croatia, met people in America. So yeah, he's been really I know, just meet ups in Holland, never once, you know, and live meat. That's a home. Yeah. So, yeah, just been. It's very it's been. It's very great to think, you know, that we started the forum and all these people have met after we've done for Um holidays and it's a very nice positive thing that we could never expected at all when we started it. That's so through and even the founders of Isaac movies came to at least one of the meat up stood. Yeah, there's a lot of duch uses on the website is and I was just going to say that. Yeah, the first like I see him for made up was with just me and Adam, which was awful, but I got bet. Lauren and I used to talk every day back then. And Yeah, we met up in London and Lauren was, you know, a little bit shy, a little bit and we kind of walked around and, you know, it was extremely challenging. And then my why I remember most as we went to get some food and I went to the toilet and, no joking at all, I thought that Lauren was going to leave. I was expecting to come out and find it lawn because it was so awkward, you know, and then luckily we ended up meeting with her dad and once we met her dad, you know, Lauren tart speaking a lot more because she was more comfortable. Why? It shows, you know, for it is quite strange, especially, I think for some people especially it is quite strange and you've spoken to someone online for so long or posted on the forum for so long and then suddenly you meet them in person. And I think the fact it was just the two of US meeting together. You know, normally to be upset being a quite a few people at once, but the fact it was just the two of us kind of walking around. Yeah, it was that. It was quite a strange experience and I was very, very shy back then. I like could not speak to people, so it was really scary and I would literally be like asking questions and Lauren would say one word and they looked like she wanted to but yeah, I genuinely felt Lauren was going to run away. So it was quite it's quite a relief when we met her dad and I think wasn't the Napoleon was probably the first big meet up that we had. Yeah, there's about ten or eleven people that came to London for that, which was that was incredible. I remember we posted, someone posted the idea about and there was a five hour showing of Napoleon and it started off a couple of people going and suddenly it grew and grew and it became like ten or eleven of us, which was amazing. And actually my favorite part of that wasn't watching the poem. It was we went to the pub after. Sadly we didn't have that much time in the pub, but that, personally, I rather we just got to the pub for the whole day and then start and watched the poem for five hours. I hadn't slept very well the last the night before, so I spent the entire time trying to stay awake. We was it was such a long screening that we had a meal and between because it was a break, and that was very amazing. So many of us meet together. That was the first time, I think, when I was like wow, you know, the forums actually got the capability of bringing people together like that in person and that went great. You know, Lauren speaking a lot. Everyone spoke a lot I think. I think everyone felt quite comfortable at that. Actually, it's so true and I think that it's just also a phenomenal that all these people have so long relationships with online. It's usually almost exactly the same meeting them in personal and conversation flows so easily, and this about absolutely everything. I think there was a night check people website at some point as well. Hilarious, I say people from website. We just made every single one. Oh, and Adam technically lived with me for a week as well. This to throw that out there. Yeah, on holiday. Just to be clear, I didn't move in. Yeah, so we I mean we had hold these remote and creatial and it was something holidame mortal wish I wasn't at. But that was all foreign people as well and that was great. Yeah, think it incredible. I don't. I don't think I've ever seen like. I remembered the being mini meatub for the forth before, but I don't think any form has ever taking in it this far in created such strong personal bombs outside of the forum, to which is just absolutely fantastic and such a unique and specialtying about ICM for him. When I went to New York I met Casper, local hero and Walter and F as well, and I think they all started meeting up with Bernie Fan and there was a few of them that met up quite a lot as well. So with all of them as well when I went to New York. Yeah, so it's it's been. It's been great really, lots of meet ups everywhere, different continents. I don't think has been an Australian meet up yet now. Well, I've for years I was the only Australian around and then now we got sold. Yeah, we...

...had a Noisey policy because we want Lauren. So so you're lucky. We didn't know you're Australian when you join. So you should come to Australia. Then we actually kind of an Australian meet up. Yeah, I mean maybe we can do fundraiser and the far room and we can get Chris and everyone else. We can do a podcast from from Australia. We're doing well with the COVID nineteen. You're just to stay in a quarantine hotel for fourteen days. Yeah, maybe we would it next year. So I start saving up for you. Once the podcast becomes big, you know, we start making money from it. It can fund the trips and we can bring our form because, Oh yes, we can. We can have a parking image. Notice the meat that. But like gay a convention, all our fans come. Yeah, like, thank next time there's a form holiday. They can do a podcast as well, live in person. We can do the festival for as well as you think. Christal be amazing. The in Perssion, you know, I can back a big show'd be harder to edit, though, in person, I guess. Let's just say this is our cu goal. I think this has been an absolutely fantastic blast of a what shall we say, organ story as well. So hopefully, as everything ended up really well, people my shirt, the forum group, we gots to many more new people coming in, including the massive exodus from IMDB, which luckily included soul and so many others. And anything for me, and just to close this off, at just the difference between then and now, I just don't think there's any real comparison from this being like a close knit group of teenagers and early twenty year old joking around. Do just so much great quality in that discussion and list creation. And this is just so much effort being put in there, including developers, creating their own unique scripts. There's just it's just such a fantastic community that's grown so much. I wanted to see a big thank you to everyone because when the old forum software was changing to top of talk, we have to do fundraiser just to move to our own forum and we got absolute tons of contributions. I think it was like ten times what we'd ask for, which funded US for years. So yeah, thanks to everyone who's posted on there, if you've donated, even if you haven't beenated, we thank you for continue to contribute. It's been it's been a lot better than we ever expected everything, but I was really surprised at how much we managed to raise to get the new domain name and hosting and what's the Zeta boards changed to tap a talk. It was really just that. You're way more than we expected and it's, yeah, awesome that we've got enough to keep the forum running for years. And Yeah, of course everyone who didn't donate money, they're donating the time and thoughts and feelings of film and Keeping Alive. So it's really great. Yeah, I'll just give a big thank you to Adam and Lauren for running the by check movies form and keeping it going so well for so many years. It was really as a sevenfore, just to godsend being able to migrate there when I'm DB shut down and after using it for three and a half years, just to Ninezero posts on there. I think it's so much better than everything else that I'd become used to it movie forum. So I'm just incredibly grateful and there's not a day that goes by that I'm not amazed by what the two of you have done by putting this gigantic film community together. Yeah, I also need to say thanks to peaceful anarchy. He's done a massive Amon, particularly once we moved in their forum. You know, without him, I think it being impossible, and all the moderators and everyone else who like pose on the time and yeah, just the whole community. I think it's not really I don't think it's worried about Lauren and I anymore. I think it's about the fact that we've got so many people that post regularly or read the forum. And also it was amazing when the I amdb people moved over. I think that gave us a new I give us. It added so much to the forum. I think we really needed that. Getting a nice new and new group of people and they've all been so great, you know, contributed so much. There's no conflicts, no issues whatsoever. So hopefully we get another influx from somewhere else at some point, because it's always great to get a nice new group of people and the last couple of years, I think, on the form of being much better and them all joining as well. Yeah, Hooray for I seem formcom. Yeah, it really did end up being a bit of a circle. Erected Sitter itselves, because this because this forum and the services are so great and there's it's it's so much that we do there. This's going to sound like an advert between we do so many monthly challenges right. It's just like people agree on specific types of films, like a film from a country or decade or Sam R, etc. That they want to explore, and then they do it and they some people watch hundreds. A law mentioned in a previous episode that he what, three hundred and six four films in one single month because the horror challenge, which is so bloody...

...impressive. And then we have no doubling the cannon project where, you know, we we double the can from they said pictures don't they, which it's also like something that goes back to, I'm the be forums. We have our all unique pall specifically for I think, moves reason officially stir it is the five hundred films with less than for other checks and they we even have, you know, our own festival with programmers working year round finding and selecting out films and just a massive participation of people watching and reviewing these films. It's just absolutely incredible. Just what do you guys were able to create and what they've been able to take part of. It's just absolutely fantastic. I can just say one final thing, I think. On top of all that, I think the kind of emotional support that people have on the community any time anyone's in trouble or anything has been amazing. And feel free to edit this, but you know, I know when when rock used away a few years ago, for example, I think that's when you saw how much people are cared about the forum and about the different people on it and we still miss we still miss him every day on the forum. I just mentioned another project that we do really well on the ICM form is a World Cup in which people select films from different countries to compete against each other and you watch for them at once and you try and work out which country has got the best film. Is Not so much fun when you're being the manager for Canada and nobody likes the Canadian film that you've chosen, but in general it's a good project. That helps get it more unseen or under seen films out there in the open. Yeah, absolutely. We also do monthly pole for E. select the best films by Genre and decade as well, which often time with the genres and of course the I think, biweekly top ten of the decade list as well, or which we run through. So it's just so much activity and this every single discussion topic of pretty much absolutely anything. We can go so in that is just fantastic. We've also got a weekly thread where you can post which movies you've seen each week and or discuss them. For if you're new member, willpen to come in post a few comments somewhat you've seen, commonwether people have seen and maybe start some discussions. See. I guess you kind of look through the point of this episode too. It's not just telling you a whilst but heavily censor story. It's also a major call to action, to join ICM for Himcom and with that, once again thank you out of a Lauren for greating at all, and join us again next time when there's a lot less of a circle ark and a lot less pandering and a lot less sales see promotion. So thank you for listening and join us again soon. You have been listening to talking images, the official PODCAST OF ICM FORUMCOM.

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