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Episode 34 · 2 months ago

How We Got Into Cinema, Part 2: The Other Hosts

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

It is origin story time, again! 

In our very first episode, the original hosts detailed exactly how they got into cinema. Now, it is time to hear from those who have joined us since then.

Listen in as Matthieu, Adam (from New York), Lauren and Sol tell you exactly how they got into cinema.

Be shocked, as Matthieu reveals he's a child of DVDs not VHS.

Discover who actually studied film, who edited Forrest Gump and Die Hard together and who went to science camp.

And of course, marvel as Sol details his love of gamification.

It is all here in our part 2 of how we got into cinema.

You are listening to talking evictionthe ficial podcast of Im for com, welcome back everyone. I met you andtoday's episode is a little different, which is why I'm hosting it instead ofChris, we doing the remake of an early episode of this podcast, which was allabout how the all hosts got into cinema. Since then, we've had new voices duringthe podcast myself included, so we decided to hear from the people whowere not on that episode to that purpose and joined by three wonderfulcohosts, Lon soul and Adam ones, among you, with the best memories mightnotice that Adam was already in the original episode, but this is Adam fromNew York, not a m from Scotland. So it's all new contents with that out ofthe way, let's start on a simple but possibly difficult to answer a question:What is your first memory of what you got him I this is Adam from New York.Not You I'm going to disappoint you. I don't have a memory of watching a firstfilm. What I can say is, I don't remember my first movie when I knowwhat it was as a very small child. My mother tells me I was obsessed with theClassic Disney Movie Dumbo, so much so, even that she got tired of renting itfrom the video store and just bought the VHS and apparently watched itdozens of times I'm Gettin, I'm talking about, as you know, a two year old or athree year old, but I've absolutely no memory of the movie and, what's more,I've, never really become interested in classic Disney. It's by far the theearliest Disney movie. I saw my entire life until I saw fantasia this year, soI guess it'd be a real outlier in my cinema interests, but it wastechnically from what I've heard the first movie I've seen. I just don'tremember it by its soul from Australia. The earliest film I remember seeing isa tricky question because I have been told quite a few times by my parents,which fill myself first. So I don't know if I actually remember seeing itor whether them telling me that again again is sort of put in my mind that Ido actually remember being them anyway, the or film what was the adventures ofMalo and Otis. It's a film R, one thousand nine hundred and eighty sixand I'm born in one thousand nine hundred and eighty six. But I didn'tsee it as you know, like a three week old, Infinte or anything, it actuallycame out in Australia in one thousand nine hundred and ninety. So I wouldhave been about three to four years old when it came out. So that's theearliest one that I know I've in terms of actual memories that I've got ratherthan suggested, memories by my parents. The ways Wan to remember anything ofYours Cinderella, the Disney film from one thousand nine hundred and fifty-and that's not one case me going back thirty six years to watch it. It wasrereleased to Australia, I one thousand nine hundred and ninety one. So at thatstage I would have been about four years old. I just remember a couple ofI don't know, guess scenes from the film or even just a few shots, andmaybe my position in the audience which is kind of interesting in terms ofremembering a significant part of a film, I'm not sure, probably theearliest top or we could think of would be something like home alone, which Iwould have seen Probo the first time in nine. Ninety two and nine, a d ninetythree shortly after Canoa home video, but that's a film as we've discussed inprevious podcast of traumatize me a bit. I've seen it quite a few times over theyears. So I don't know if I remember seeing it the first time or whether Ijust got Viper memories of it, because I would have watched it. You know Iguess five or ten times well growing up so yeah. I don't really have a straightanswer for that. There's a few other films a bit more recent than that thatI do remember, but it's sort of like I more a member o the experience of goingthere like. I remember what the theater would look like when we went to see theline in one thousand nine hundred and ninety four, when I was about sevenyears old, but I don't actually remember the film or I remember seeingstar, was when it was re released in Toad Nine D, N nity. Seven, I remembergoing into a theater. I don't actually recall the film which I have sincewatched since then, so they get a a bit of false memories, burn memories inthere, along with the ants sorry. But for me unfortunate hers, no easinganswer to that one! I'm Laurin Mi Tock Yeah. I don't really have a like a specific memory of the firstfilm, but I asked my mom earlier today what she thought and she said I wasprobably around three which would have been about ninety four and she thinksit was probably some of the early Disney films and things like thembefore time or the aristocrats or Cinderella. I do remember watching thembefore time and aristocrats like a lot when I was younger, but I don'tremember really how old I was. I do know that one of the first films that Isaw at the cinema was bade because my my grandma took me to see it and thenshe basically swore off eating Bacon and she only started eating Bacon againin the last few Yearsi, which is at...

...abode, and when I try to think aboutlike my first sort of real memory, I do remember having a dream or a nightmarewhen I was around four to six. I don't really remember it all kind of bursttogether, which is kind of inspired by total recall. So I know I watched thatquite early and the memory I mean the dream is sort of like I only have avague memory of it, but I remember there was this kind of like spacestation airport type of thing overlooking Mars, and there were these,like museum, exhibit things with, like brains in them and the glass of the thespace station crapped, and then everything started going crazy andthat's like all. I remember so. I know I was watching that kind of stuff quiteearly, but I do actually remember watching the film itself. Just rememberthe grain that is really interesting, though, and I guess soul also, you willhave kind of traumatic memories of watching things as a cracko beinginfluenced by what you sat in, and I guess Alamani don't probably because wejust repressed it and really don't personally, just remember watching thething at all until it was like ten or eleven, but undoubtedly I did I do youremember that the Aristot was my favorite Disney going up, even though Iwasn't watching many themes, but the first one. I really remember watchingwasn't the cinema that you love and that was the empor new go, which Iguess is not the most renowned. Isn't I shame, but I remember love gets at thattime anyway and yeah. It's interesting that it's all Disney it. I guess itcould be predictable. That is really has a quite behold on childreneverywhere. That's that's a Ye choose, but our first thing is a just. I meanwe all wash disneys we a we all remember our fir family is allDisneyland case of Babe. It's not Disney thing, but it's a tree. Childrenin it's, not us who choose to watch that, so I guess what I want to now isbuying that. How did you really first get into movies? How old were you whendid happen and was the particular film that was decisive and you wi testarting to be a sinite or maybe exploring cinema? More so for me, atMattou there was one distinctive movie, and it's interesting. You mention this,the the common theme of Disney in our childhoods, because I guess that's what parents in thosedays did when they needed something to distract their kids. These days, I seeso many parents who just an I pat in front of their kids and show them somesort of sing, songy nonsense and Youtube in order to know get the TV to parent the kids fora while. I guess it was Disney back in the day. I think I think the firstmovie I saw in theaters might have been the Little Mermaid and I can startremember going to the movie theaters around when I was. You know five, six,one thousand nine hundred a D T N, one thousand nine hundred and ninety. Iremember seeing m home alone and immersing back to the future part three.So we were very much a movie going family, but the one movie that reallyturned me into a Sinopis. I guess, was strangers on a train and I think Imight have been about eight or nine years old and I just remember sittingat home with my dad and it came on the TV I want to say it was on a classicmovie channel. Maybe it was on AMC which is sort of classic movie channelhere in the United States, and he asked if I wanted to see with them- and Isaid sure- and I was just just totally entranced- I don't know up until thenhow many sort of older movies I had seen, but it felt just it was sostylish. It was so full of these sort of delicious crime scenario of this. Iknow two two bachelors who are switching murders for each other. Itbegins with this. This strange intriguing encounter on a train and itwas my introduction to hitchcock, and I was I was totally entranced and Ibecame obsessed after that with hitchcock, and that's how I releasedher of became very interested in movies such as a tent is a great one.Definitely one of my favorite hitchcocks as well, and each cock isalso. I guess one way that many of us get into movies artists an early stagefor a lot of Sinapis but yeah access Volante when know but anyway, whatabout you son? So this was an interesting question, so I decided Iwould shut to him on to day about it and see what she recalled of me andwhat she said is at Rom as young as she can remember. I was always interestedin films as a child or was a infant or whatever. I was very you know hard tocontrol and get interested, but I, if there's something showing on TV or somemen from the TV I'll, get excited on it quite easily and he recorded somestories about. You know I'll go to the park with my younger brother and Iwouldn't want to go on slides or anything. So I wasn't a very physicalperson that I was very entranced by cinema and she's, often giving mestories about how, when I was really young and they'll, take me to themovies and I'm sort of like run out to the very front of the theater with abig screen. So I'm just like look up at...

...that big screen and just be reallyfascinated by the whole projection of it, which I guess as a younger childcompared to when I do it now, and I do I tasili still wonder the front now andgetting a bit bored and nobody else is in the theater and it must have justbeen massive back then, but yeah definitely from a very early age. I etremember when I was maybe eight nine years old. I started to keep a recordall the films that I was watching and just putting stars on them, because Iused to be obsessed with the TV guides and seeing what movies were showing andtrying to watch. You know the four or five staff films because, as you know,an eight or nine year old. That's you know. That was my reference point forthe films worth watching or not, and then I like keeping a record of my ownratings, which was all kind of interesting, but I don't think it wasreally until I was about thirteen or fourteen years old that it really cameand really turned from being just you know interested in keeping track ofratings to actually seeking out films that are a little bit different, themore acclaim films out there and if I was going to give a film that probablystarted my cinematic journey as a hard core cynophilist. I wish I could saystrangers on the train, because that's an amazing film, it's my favoritehitchcock after a rear window, vertical psycho. So after the big three, I thinkit's Hitcht best one. So I wish I could say strangers on a train, but it's notstrange as in a train. I wish I could say the prints, not the film that dofor me. As I had sat without laughing, it's called God's Yellowboys, the seamon stop, and I don't know what it was about that, maybe because it was justsuch a strange and weird film or whatever, but that was the first one.Were I decided that I wouldn't just you know, put like a rating for it. I'dalso write a bit about it, and I started doing that for films I watchedsince then they not that I right about a film is changed, but over the years Imean or the last you know, fifteen years also has been pretty consistentbut or the first few years just getting into it. I think it was a film thatreally did it to me that I was interested in actually no trying toform an opinion and then keeping a truck of my opinions of what I waswatching, I'm glad it wasn't strangers on a train. There would have been bothodd and well. You know I kind of feel like it's. My movie, I feel like you,would have to commit a murder together if a yeah- although I should justmention with the kit shot one hitchcock- was brave evil for me. Early on, my momintroduced me to hit shock, but I was first really getting into film. So eventhough I have said you know God's delevers us a seam monster, I was thatthat would have been when I was maybe thirteen. I was definitely watching itshop films as young as ten, because when wore ten years older went to ourDisney land, we saw your universal studios. We saw how they did that TallSatin SAPATA and I had since abate that stage. I'd seen psycho rear windownorth by Northwest Verte go. So it's seen a big one. So I definitely seems aHito by you know age, ten or eleven, but I guess it was only you know. WhenI got into high school they started to get into more about. I stop doing stuffstar ratings. I actually want to have an opinion on everything that I watch that I ris is hitchcock a director ofchildren's movies, then the invite on children- I guess e Sexuidepends. It depends on the hit shock film, but I think it shocks a goodpreme for all the films, because I guess all the films and Vera comes orwhatever, because that's offered a hard to introduce, but I guess because hewas the master of suspense a lot of years. All he fields, especially stufflike north, by northwest, which is probably the pertest I saw, is just avery it's a very gripping ride, even though it's not you know a sort ofBoden film, whereas otherwise it's really hard to get. You know, I guessyounger people never seen outer films before to watch them. I mean when I amshowed films to my students, as a teacher I usually go for comedy becausecomedy felte universal, but in terms of more serious stuff Yor, something likehit shock is a pretty safe way to go to because they's so suspenseful, this sothrilling. I don't want to put himepon the Grapes of Broth, which somebody didon the Classic Film Board. It was insisted on showing that to hisgrandchild and the like astaras afterwards. What do you think of andapparently grandchild ers just like? What's good or whatever, but you knowyou don't show that to attend you or not to troduced into all er films yeah.Clearly you have to show them good. Zeto movies was that the first, becauseyou got movies, you saw that one that taaste, I don't think it was. I think I did seethe one thousand nine hundred and ninety eight version of Gods Zele whenit first came out on the eight ches I guess out have been before DVD. So Iguess in maybe ninety eight or something I would have seen it, butI've got no memory of, but I have n't...

...raiser an IMDB, the only stuff, I'veRatan Im if you have kept track out of, is the film says God's ether versus toseem on stuff but yeah. I did see the role in emerick one when it came outall right. So loven is your first. First, Major, like decisive, am morecentral than a twain or more good sideth. I don't know if there's aspecific film but was probably closer to God, Zelaf so like when I was a kidlike. I always liked movies, but I didn't really get into them until mylike early teens. So as a kid, it was pretty much like every week. My Dadwould go to the video shop and would run a bunch of movies, and then wewould watch them over the week, so it was just whatever he rented. We watched.I had no idea about TV, gud movies or I didn't watch movies on TV, so it wasjust whatever he rented and because he liked horror, it was always horrorfilms. I don't know if there was a specific movie, though, because I justdon't really remember enough about sort of my first films that I watched when Iwas a kid, but I just know that, like even as like a young kid like five,four or five, I like I wanted horror films, but we also never watched anyforeign films or any black or white BIMS. So I never watch it cock as a kid.My First Hitch Cup was when I was fourteen, and I don't think I wouldhave liked it as a kid and yeah. As a kid I mean I liked them, but I wasn'treally hard core into them until my teens and I think it was probably whatreally kind of sparked it off as being like when I knew that this was going tobe. My passion was sort of the first few films that I watched when I foundthe top to fifty, and that was like the godfather singing in the rainFrankenstein and then one to of the cookers nest, which instantly became myfavorite movie and has been sent so could say it. Maybe it's one o ver thecookies new, so it's just kind of all of them and realizing like there's moreto film than just whatever my dad rents. It's interesting that you mentioned theIMDB fifty because it was talked about a lot in the first episode where apponyall the hosts made got into the boite. It was quite surprising to me becausefor me it wasn't the fact or that we can maybe talk about that a bit later.That's for me, my path, my hood, to to being a Selfie to movies was, I think,a lot more long winded than you than you are, but because we didn't reallywatch many movies in my family again some des Ne when I was a child, butthat's about it and then when I, when I was a team, there were some movies. Iwatched and loved like concisely and fiction city of God, stuff like that,but different stuff really, but I never really got into movies despite or sings.I loved, I think in part, because I know I'm an obsessive person and if I'mgoing to get into something, I'm really going to get into it and I'm going toneed to explore the history of it and see theclassics and all that I guess we all feel that to degree that to me it was astumbling block, because I felt that I didn't want to get into cinema. Becauseof that right, I didn't have the time or whatever so really when I was ontenait did not get into movies and instead I got when I was maybe eighteeninto TV, because I don't know why. I guess it felt Marcess ble to watch likethe Sopranos and the wire to watch the big classics, even though, if I thinkabout it, the time it took me to watch all of the Sopranos could have watchedthe pen to the movies as well. I've been sweet, long either way, and so Igot into movies through listening to podcasts, really because I waslistening to Chivy critics podcasts and a lot of the Tibi critics. Really theytalk about movies as well, because you know they're, pitty, related and soeventually have led me through thine, podcasts, Lihim, spotting and stufflike that and eventually hearing about those things that were going on, wantsto watch them as well. And all of this is quite recent compared to you,because two thousand and fifteen would really be the big year. When I got intomovies, I would say, and if there was one thing to single out, it wouldprobably boyhood which is not. It is a Fiato, but nothing on my talk. Twenty awhole time like, but I think I do love, though I haven't seen it since then andyeah. Seeing that it's, I guess it makes sense thatcoming from loving TV, I would love boyhood because it has kind of the samestrength of being this very long term character, study right where you see acharacter evolved, which is kind of what the appeal of Long TV showschapter based TV shows are so yeah. I guess I guess that was the triggeringthing for me and also the other thing that attracted me to it is the idea ofbeing part of the conversation like everyone was talking about that thingat that point, all at this I eat like it and so yeah. I wanted to be part ofthat and then immediately because of what I discussed earlier, I startedwatching all the things watching the classics. Like again, you mentioned theGod, father t a I started on that time, so yeah, I guess I came into movies aLott later, then you guys did and to...

...jump back on the mbiti thing. Really itwas not a Dick Factor for me. I think, because because I came into the movies,as I I said, I did I guess I had heard about it a lot earlier and mostlyDevisin rite, mostly for people to say ha ha. The idea of the showshine is thebest in a one time. That's ridiculous! That's what I heard anyway! WITHERO isanother question. I think it's fine, I guess. But yes, so for me the end of itran. Fifty was not really big source and I guess because in the previousepisode it is talked about it at, I wonder, was it for you guys the end o.for me, I was never interested in that M dbait. It never occurred to me assomething I was particularly interested in and to this day I'm still reallyinterested in, and this is perhaps a shocking confession, considering thewebsites that I know we all go to, but I'm not really interested that much inmovie lists. I never felt the need or the interest in completing a movie list,certainly don't dislike them as a reference point for finding movies, butI've never really been into lists. But that is a shocking revelation. Iguess that's not one list for me but yeah. I am. I do love love myself, somelist at movies or otherwise. So, like Adam, the IMDB top two D. fiftywasn't a big starting point for me because you know I got into film beforeyou know. I discovered the Internet, so you know after I went beyond what waslisting in the TV guides for films. I actually went and found some cinemaguys at the library and the one that really struck me. The most was theirholy wells film guide because they're so massive it covered so many films ofso many different ears and the only way I actually fou an IMDB would be. When Iwas about thirteen a d one of the films that I was looking for was at listed inthe Hollywell Film Guide and Anyway I could find information about it was bysearching for online, which brought me to Ibb the film I search. What I do bean even recognize it because on IMDB the title is she says: She's innocentthe time book or my how on Vhs was called violation of trust, and it tookme a few minutes to realize that was an Aka title and had been retarded forvideo release. So I haven't seen that film in twenty one years. It's not even.I even have voted for an IMDB, because it's before I cain account there, I'mnot surprised that Laurana other people haven't heard of it, because I had avert of it. It was just one in age to I don't pick up from on VHS. Yes, it's anine in one TV movie. It's got no significance other than the fact thatit directed me to IMDB. That's most famous thing that film has ever donefor anyone is get solar IMDB. Some of the movies great I'm sure I should hate a ould trivialize him onthe film's IMDB page and the trimony would actually be accepted because ofthe way they've automated everything. So if I really wanted to bash, if youreally want to trash the IMDB website, I could do that, but I got betterthings to do. Yes. So now the IMDB top to fifty I'vealready been looking at the three and four star films on the Hollywood ScornGuide: That's how of been choosing what to watch the IB bid top to fifty wasinteresting, but it wasn't too interesting because there are a lot ofvery new films in there, and I already knew quite from early on that. Thiswasn't a very good reference point, so I mean occasionally was interesting ofa something. So I didn't realize I was in the top two fifty, but but the filmstowards the top, and especially the new races that kept getting in there highenough it just was never an interesting launching point for me and like Adamlists, are interesting to me, but I've never been much of a completest. I meanthat's what I like about ISM. I check movies that are, you can get an awardfor getting fifty percent or seventy five per cent on a list, because that'sreally you know my interest point. You know I'm not interested in completingeverything. I don't know it's coming from the point of view that I don'twant to run out of things to see. That might be it, I'm not sure, but I'venever had any interest in finishing or completing lists, and even withdirector pornography s with directors that I like a lot like Cromberg. Youknow it took me quite a few years to actually get through everything thathe's done, because you know you always. You know want something else there, butyou know sometimes with people like the corn brothers, you just end up watchingeverything, because it's all so great but yeah I've never really been big into this completion of biomorphic completion, although I know that one ofthe big things that people on the form are interested in it. I know it breaksLauren's heart, but you know it's a reality for me. I guess I'm not that much the completedeither, probably more than you. I do think some satisfaction at getting avirtual awards on IM and stuff like...

...that, but yeah, it's not a huge deadfor me either, but I did immediately use a lot of lists when I got intomovies and the way her I would do it. I think I found I check movies relativelyearly, and so it was always more antic movies than an dv for me and I wouldtake a bunch of lists. I think the MBI was part of it to be fair, but you alsohad like they should picturs on day and the Pandor winners and stuff like that.I don't remember all the lists and I would just randomize right, and sothat's how I ended up watching some, not the biggest classics. First Imentioned on the gadates that the first time by God I saw was Miho and that'sthat's why that's e, because it came up friend of me and I hope that was a wayto kind of be exposed to a bunch of difference things without just doingthe classics, and there was a waiting system. I mean whatever it's poling,but so that the classics would come up more and steal a so so that I wouldn'tjust watch obscurities, but a time you said you're not at all into this, so Iguess I won. How did you decide which seems to watch when you first got intoit? My formative influence was my father. You know, I think, after seeingstraighter of a train. I just I bugged him for movie recommendations. I thinkI drove him a little bit crazy and at some point he ran out and just got alittle frustrated with this constant demand for new movies and and themovies you suggesting were, I guess you could say, sort of stereotypical guycinema male cinema. If you want a lot of Westerns a lot of war movies, a lotof spie movies. The funny thing is: That's not his taste at all anymore,he's changed quite a bit and I've changed quite a bit, but my favoritemovies in my youth were movies like high planes drifter, which is still oneof my favorite movies, the James Bond Movies. There was a point when I wasprobably you know: eight years old, where the spy you loved me was myfavorite movie, which I find a little mortifying today, and then there wasthese classic s: War Movies, like the guns of never one where eagles therestolid seventeen. I still love these movies and I think they hold up verywell to my eyes today as an adult, but those were those are sort of the movies.I just I just adored as a kid and- and I was you know fairly obsessed, even ata young age. I remember I had a sort of weekend routine Friday evening. I go tothe video store, I'd rent to movies I'd watch one Friday evening, I'd watch oneSaturday morning, Saturday. I go back to the video store and repeat it tomore movies, one in the one watch one Saturday evening watch one Sundaymorning, so I try to consume four movies during the weekend and- and Idon't think, that's very exceptional, considering the movie consumption rateit in our forum. I think you won't find many ten year olds, who do that so itwas it was. It was mainly my father who influenced me in terms of the movies Iwas chasing yeah and that digs me to ask it sounds like you were mostlywatching on TV, essentially either by wenting DVDs or by watching somethingthat was erring, and so you mentioned TV guy being this important thing. Sodid you all get into movies, mostly by watching them on TV? What about youloan, for example? So I very rarely watch TV so I'd pretty much, neverwatched any films on TV. It was purely whatever we rented from the video storeand yeah like Adam as a kid. My Dad was the main influence on what I watched,but then in two thousand and five and I was about fourteen, I found the top Turfifty I actually joined IMDB the year before, but somehow I must have foundthe top t fifty and started watching that, but I'm like everyone else, Ididn't even know about film books or film critics or anything. So I never. Inever knew of any critics. I never read any reviews or I didn't know what waspopular. I didn't know what the classics were, so the top fifty wasliterally the only thing. I knew in terms of recommendations for films thatI should watch rather than films. My Dad chose to rent and I love lists andcompleting lists. Although it usually takes me a long time- and I guess it'sthe same sort of reason, even though I've tried to to read critics and lookat these books- and things like that, I just haven't found anyone that I, likereally connect with like taste wires, that I seem to watch films. The sameway that I do. I like films, the same way that I do so for me lists I kind oflike, especially like you know this big aggregate kind of list where it's notjust one person saying this is what you should watch. It's kind of just likehere's, a bunch of films that lots of people like and you might like them aswell. So I just had this sort of like pick of the litter like to me. It'slike random, but it's not as random as just like, actually picking somethingat random and it's a lot more even to it still hit miss it's a bit better asa recommendation system than what I used to do, which was go to the Hooseinat the video shot and pick something with a cool cover, because nine percentof the time it sucks. So the list is just kind of helpful for me to sort ofguide my way, but that's just because I...

...haven't really found any film peoplewho whose recommendations like mean enough to me to use that yeah. So Iguess you all really have that connection to like video stools andwatching on TV. I guess probably because I got into movies as an adultat a time where video stores were onwee kind of a thing of the past. I meanthis. It exists, but more were. It was mostly going through the theater,especially especially starting in in late two thousand and fifteen and yeahwatching things on the Internet and perhaps less than legal ways, which Idon't do as much now so yeah. I guess the difference in time really made ahuge difference in in what we watched, because, because of that, it was kindof an infinite amount of possibilities for me, so I didn't really go. Youmentioned not finding critics that you can really trust in. You really havethe same taste. I don't think I have that either. I guess I just kind oflook at the agregate and try to pick all that sounds interesting because abunch of different people like it one other thing, I kind of wonder about isAdam. You mentioned that your father most introduced you to pay masculinetype of things, and that now your taste is very different, and so I guess myquestion is: How did that happen like? How did you blench out? How did youexplore things that were outside of that of that group? That's a goodquestion. I want to be clear. I don't want to draw a caricature of my fatherat all. His tastes are varied and wide, as are my mothers and they've both beeninfluential. You know beyond just sort of the war movies, the Western movies.I was watching all hitchcock I sort of in through as much hitch cocked as waspossible once I saw strangers in a train. I did get into the marksbrothers movies at a certain point in the chaplain movies, and I think I'mguessing. That was more of my mother's influence and her recommendations to meand then at high school. My cases broadened out a bit. I remember goingto high school and my history teacher delightfully dedicated several classsessions to just having us all watch a Gira, the wrath of God, which, whichwas mind blowing for me, when I was thirteen or fourteen years old. So thenI got you know, watched a bunch of hurt, SOG movies. Moreover, there was a PineArts Club at school that decided to show a film festival of COUPRI movies,so I got into Cobra, and then I created my own movie club in high school. Itwasn't a very active club hum, but we did occasionally screen movies. Iparticularly remember was the tradition. At the end of the year, the thefreshman class had a trip to six flags, which is you know, an amusement parkwith roller coasters, and I set up an alternative end of your day, whichwould just be a movie day and we go to school and watch movies, and I can tellyou most. People chose six flags over hanging out with me and watching oldmovies, but I remember our line up on that day was half baked stoner comedyit was the Godfather and what was the third one? I can't recall. I think itmust have been a con brothers movie, so so gradually my tastes and interestsbroughtened out at so it sounds like your initiation that gets into intomovies was really social t. You have o movie clubs and I guess your father,that's that's a different, but o for each was a very lonely thing. I guessmaybe a little sad. I guess I wish I had nobody had access to thin close, butnot at the time where they would have interested me much and yeah. So whatBout Lovin? And so? How did you wench out out of the things that interestedyou at first like low, and you mentioned the Nvite? Obviously now fromwhat I know of you, your tastes are not really along those lines right. So howdid you really get into Jane Cinema, but that was well before I found thetop T. fifty that I was into horror from when I was like a toddler. So forme the the top fifty was a way of branching out of what I was interestedin, but horror and genre films in general. I still like my go to thestill my main interest and they're still, I'm Goin to still have therestill pretty hidden ous for me, but I feel like I'm more likely to findsomething worth while and then some random topt fifty film, although theones I have left, I don't think I'm going to like, and I don't think thatmy taste of really changed significantly like the stuff. I watchas a kid is still pretty much the stuff or washing out like all right and Scifi,but there's certain things that I could tolerate as a kid that I can't toleratenow like that over overly Melo dramatic music. I like it actually hurts me, butotherwise I feel like I still. I still feel like I'm pretty random, with whatI like and dislike, like I'm always drawn towards genre films, but ineverything else. It's like. I might like a really long, slow film. I mightlike a really fast paced, superhero movie. I might hate them. I just neverknow so. I feel like my taste of just kind of the just wivery Bobbyn and theyalways have been. I've always been into...

...horror, not so much for of films. Butwhen I was growing up, I was reading a lot of goose, punts and fear street lotof relse books. So I was always into horror, and I guess I naturallytransferred over to horror cinema and, like Lauren I'll go the Hosein I lookfor the most striking front covers and the most striking back covers couldlook at the images in the back also make a decision based on that becauseobviously went obviously, but I didn't take my high wals film guide into theHorror Section with me to the video library. Maybe I should have, but Ididn't so it was just based in the Bron harbor. I do what attracted me but yeah.That's how I was getting into film, and you know I was sort of like I guess. Abit envious or mature they's been able to watch films directly online. Eversince I was in the cinema because yeah that wasn't a thing for me back in theday I mean when I was first watching films and first you know, even as likea ten year old, going through and trying to find fields that was beforeDVDs had come out, and you know I still like remember, hiring my first DVD andhow how different that was to watching a film on Vhs, but ef me was all about.VHS is about hunting those of the hesters down, hoping your they workproperly, and I just record such things as you know, going and renting themouthes Falcon for the second time, but you know not like one week afteranother but like a rented and I want to re watch it like two years later, theperson I looked it up and they're, like you, know, you've rented this filmbefore I'm like yeah. I want to see it again, but you know that was like wayback an I I kin. Imagine doing that now, but you know I guess going back. Youknow, eighteen years ago, whatever that would have been. You know that was areality want to see something you need to rent it. I mean much of the filmsthat I first saw. Growing up were the ones that were showing on TV, because Iwas only allowed to read films during the school holidays, so I wanted to seeanything that my parents didn't own and we didn't really own much. You knowduring the week or during the weekend. I would just have to choose some whatelse was showing on TV? So I saw a lot of old British comedies because I usedto play on the AVC channel here and yeah. I saw logican plastics becausethey would side there for time to time, but you know I was watching them withpads, which is an ideal, but it's still a great. You know premoo gettinginterested in films and getting in there, and then they would give meideas about what to rent when the score holidays came up and I was able to goand rent things. But yeah things have come such a long way since then,because you know I got to the point where they just got wiped out, and Igot this gigantic two thousand correction of the his types because Iall got them for like a dollar and two dollars when the video libras weredropping them out and then getting those computer to dvd over the yearthat, like Shockin, very upgrade in to dvds over the years, and now I got tothe stage where nine percent of what I watch I'm streaming online. Soeverything for me is changed quite a bit. I think I was struggled with whatthe question was. I think it was in terms of finding by how my taste hasevolved yeah. A lot of it is probably by beingable to access things on streaming services. I think it's probably a bigthing or being able to import stuff from overseas to not being limited bywhat I could rented a video library or lamented by what was showing on TV butactually going on. So we you know a shall want to. You know, buy thesefilms or overseas. I want to buy these films in Ebay that somebody else isimported from overseas or the last few years going out and screaming and goingwell like I'm Japans a lot of crazy films. I, like crazy films, all thisJapanese Chalenge that we're going to have on the IM forum in May. I am goingto stream as much stuff as I could find onAmazon, prime or Netflix or whatever, which you know, fits in this boarddefinition of crazy films beyond the actual, Japanese classics. So I'm notquite sure if that's so, the question are going a bit of track, but you'rewelcome to re direct me if inny redirection have a question for youSall and a question for everyone. It's interesting. You mentioned that yourparents, only let you rent movies during the school holidays and I'mwondering if other people had an experience of what extent their parentsrestricted their movie watching I've heard from people over the years.Whenever people meet me, they quickly learn I'm into movies, and then I oftenhear how they go, but into movies or to what extent they're interested inmovies- and I often hear about something like my parents didn't let mewatch many movies going up or we weren't really a family that watchedmovies. So I had the opposite experience. My parents didn't restrictme at all in terms of watching movies. There's only one movie I can everremember then saying you shouldn't watch that and was the deer hunter,because I remember, as a child asking my father. What was the best movie hehad ever seen and he said the deer hunter and I said I want to watch thatand I think I was probably nineyears...

...old and I said why don't you wait a fewyears, so that was the only time that ever experienced them restricting mefrom watching a movie, otherwise sex violence. They didn't feel a need torestrict me from that and I'm wondering if other people had parents who aresimilarly, you know liberal or were more restrictive. I think nine years old is actually apretty good time at about Russian Roulette. Okay, so that's a Dion, ajoke! Yeah! My parents, don't think whatever tur restricted of what I waswatching. I don't know there when, when I was running films out yer for a while,you know I live in a really want me w what renting anything out which was maor which are the two highest classifications, but you know well timeis had eleven years old you they pretty much. Let me rend whatever I wanted torent in terms of being ale to watch films year. Renting films was a schoolholiday thing, Os a special thing for the holidays, but they'll pretty much.Let Me Watch whatever was showing on TV and they couldn't really control it tomuch of an extent. You know unless you in the same room with me and they couldgo over and show something off, but you know Tehong by yourself or whateverit's showing on TV. I guess yeah. I don't really think too much of it. So Idon't think I was ever really astricted too much. I do remember one time whenwe staying in Mandra, which is a city near here, and we're on holidays andone of the in household to corner in room movies or whatever was rated in Ma.I suggested we watch it and they're like no, but I would have been you know.You know I guess maybe ten or eleven at the time so it maybe that was asensible decision, but yeah. No, I look. I don't think I've only been respectedtoo much in terms of the content of the films, it's more so that you know we'renot going to drive each other really hideo store and you know, spend so muchmoney and whatever I'm reading these films. If you want to watch somethingyou know watch what's on TV yeah, I wasn't, I didn't, have any restrictionsbasically like I was allowed to sort of do whatever I want. Whenever I wanted.The only restriction that I had with movies was that I wasn't allowed towatch. I rated horror films and I, like everything that I wanted to rent wasbasically like. I read it M or ma, so I had to bring my parents every singletime and they had to take out the films because I was too young but, like Iremember specifically, my parents were like you can't watch the evil dead andyou can't watch a nightmare at ELM street and I did manage them manage toconvince them to. Let me watch the EPODE and I was seven and then I cried,and so then they were like okay you're, definitely not watching a night man elmstreet now. But I remember like it's five by a few years after that, when Iwas like ten, I was just watching like everything they never really cared. Iremember watching irreversible with my dad and what's that other one a standalone or something like that, so good family time with my family. It'sinteresting. You guys talk about about ratings. Obviously we have them in theUS as well, but it would be generous to say that they're strictly enforced atthe video store they never. You know prevented me from renting anything Iwanted and and movie theaters in New York City. In my entire life, I onlyonce was prevented from seeing an r rated movie as a child. They seem tohave a a policy of why turn away good money, which I appreciate- yeah,they're, they're, very, strictly efore enforced here and not so so much sureabout video libres, but cinemas they're very strictly enforced. I remember thatI won free passes through this local television station to seemonsters, ball, the Holly Berry Film and that would have been early twothousand and two probably so. It was maybe on around fifteen years old andit was rated or and the person who was selling the tickets was se tiger personsaid you know they actually get a personal fine, not the theater. Theperson as sells the ticket gets a personal fine if they let a minor intoan I rated film. So I might just be for the hours and not sure if it's aboutthe MAS, which is our second highest son, which is fifteen plus, I knowthey're not allowed to sell them, I'm not sure of the fines. Quite the samein terms of ranting, I'm not quite sure how much to many short es I know withand which is our third high. It's owning you know recommended for matureaudiences, so you pretty much anything G, PG or M. I think able to rent aslong as you've got. You know somebody else with you, so I never went to thevideo library by myself because it was never close enough to so. I always hada parent there anyway, but we APO. If I was to redtail arbor myself I probablywouldn't be allowed to, and yet I wasn't allowed to see an film by myselfand hasn't changed bythe, because I was also on the radio recently some one ofthose stupid blockbuster films that have come out recently. I don't knowwhat it was weto talking about a Woan try to take. You know their fifteenyear old, kill long to see it or whatever and they weren't able to sneakthem in. So it is quite strictly enforced. Here, Bout Yeah, I'm sorry,go aheadd Lane a sorry yeah! I just...

...going to say, like I tried to rent,think it was an m or an Ma film and I was thirteen or fourteen and they werejust like. No, you need a parrot and my mom was waiting in the car, so had togo out and get a and come back in and she had to take it out for me and yeah.My Dad brought me and my brother to see scary movie, which I think came out twothousand and one so I would have been ten and the people were trying to stophim from like taking us and they were like. No. This is like really scary,like I think, they're too young and my dad was like now and like it wasn'teven scary anyway, but yeah and I remember I think I went to see likeJack Ass, but we went with a family friend and they wouldn't let us inbecause he wasn't our parent, so they couldn't say it. Oh, it's quite theopposite experience from what I was used to in New York, not too I'minterested in hearing. If you had similar restrictions as youth, I knowyou said you were only really got into movies when you were older, but didyour parents restrict anything that you saw when you were young? Well, not thatI was aware of, obviously, because I wasn't that much into movies. It wasn'ta TI actor why I did, but it's not like. I was trying to see films that maybewould not have been a cloth yet, but also the other factor is I have fiveolder siblings, and so I don't think they were very restrictive with themeither on the subject. None of them were hugely into movies, but they didin some phases- and I guess, like my brother, should be perfection, but Iwas like thirteen or fourteen, but it was not. I was to age, it was okay forthat so yeah they were not restrictive, but yeah. I guess I guess it just didnot come up that much and on the subject of waitings, I guess we have aslightly different system where it's just ages right to as minus ten, when not under ten, but someonly under like no, I sing not on De ten, not under twelve and not undersixteen, and then there's Guestan equivalent to c seventy. That'sa x rating, that's basically pom and guess, Panaiti, which I know that load is a pony from aguest family family, that's yeah. That is the only case. Recentgespannt that had issues with with waitings in forms generally there alittle more legle than the American system with sex do not definitely onagain like love. NICASIO was Danton X, rated them and they're a little tosserwith violence, but so most superhero things are mine and sometimes when it'sa but yeah, I don't think they are very strict with it in theaters and fons.Obviously I don't have an experience of trying it myself. In fact, I rememberthat hearing about the execitatio sly, I was not in theaters, but I knew itwas a minor swell thing and I heard about it. I was eleven and I rememberbeing pretty happy that I could use that as an excuse not to see it. Sothat's what I was as a kid had. So not not not not the kid you did to restrictin terms of trying to see stuff. That's true! I don't, but I guess, since Iguess we've talked about this a bit, but since you all got into movies morewith DVDs and stuff, what a point where you started going to the cinema legaler,I guess- maybe maybe you never did because it's interesting that all ofour first memories. Well, not all, but I guess a lot of authors. Memories ofthem are related to the cinema. Because of this T it's very striking right as achild to be in that big dark Ho yeah I want. Did you ask at some point startreally going to the America arly or is it for you still mostly watching athome? I guess well Ma to you. I think you just betrayed the fact that you'vecome to the cinema rather recently by saying that we all gone into it throughDVDs. I think we all got into it through VHS. Actually, we are the sorethe VHS era, which no longer exists for better or worse or children, are thevideo store era which no longer exists for worse. I very much miss and lovevideo stores, but, but I want to be clear, I wouldn't say I got into moviesthrough VHS. It was not one or the other. It was both both video storesand going to the movies, and I don't know what the situation is where youguys grew up, but I was so very fortunate to grow up in in new yokecity, which is just unbelievable bounty of movie theaters, so many movietheaters, showing recent releases, but also movie theater, showinginternational movies and Art House movies and and repertory cinemas, andso my family were over his big movie goers and I benefited from the factthat both my parents are Sinopis as well. We always went to movies, andit's only really in the past ten years that I've stopped going to the moviesnearly as much and especially, I think once I got. I remember I was eighteen orseventeen excuse me, and I was just about to graduate from high school anda new repertory cinema opened up here in New York, called the Falia theaterthere's, actually a recreation of an old repertory cinema that had closed Iand they opened with a series of...

...classic French movies, and so I wentthere and I saw all these classic French movies, like Reefy Diabolique,the sorrow and the pity the screek charm of the Buchez, so that was waswas a fascinating experience and that got me more into movies and opened myeyes to a whole new new sort of sector of cinema, and then I continued doingit a lot. When I got back from college, I went to all these sort of theserepertory cinemas had a membership at film forum. I knew how to how to sneakinto the Museum of Modern Art and go to their repertory cinema for fraid, andthen I became very indulgent and I would make lists every month of all theclassic movies showing around the Mo the city that I wanted to see. So Ithink the current question was about seeing films in theatres and whether itwas all just about home video. I think for me it was a lot about homevideo. I've just been discussing the chat and just even the smell in atexture of vahs. You know I just love, I still got, but a few films in Vshares, even though my BC isn't cooked up in a new place that I moved into. Igot all to the hesters of stuff on Bein out about great. It just brings backchild good memories. You know that's my fondest thing going and wanderingthrough the video store looking at films, judging them based on theircover, because that's all I could do, and you know sometimes getting a reallycool thing as a result of that. So a lot of it was discovery from me thatway, a long of it was discovery of things showing like mad on TV, a lot ofthe older classics in terms of going to the movies yeah. That's probably alwaysbeen issue for me in terms of distance and expense for quite a while. I waslibing for like the last ten years or so quite far away from any theaters,I'm actually a bit closer to a cinema now, but even so, it's not you know mynumber one avenue to go and watch films. There was definitely a time when I wasat university, where I actually would watch films quite regularly, becausethe university that I was at was actually quite close to a cinema.That's now shut down and being transformed into a live theater orsomething of that sort. It hasn't been completely shut down, but it's not whatit was but yeah. I used to like go there because I don't have like alecture in the morning and I something in the evening or whatever I I've beenin the film in between so that was kind of Nice for a little bit and there wasone stage I guess maybe two thousand and five, two thousand six, where I wasreally into discussing the last leases on the Ivy message boards. So I go outand see you know as many others, as I can by myself during the Oscar season,but no in general. I don't think going to the cinema as being a big part of it.It's always something I enjoy a like. Like I said you know that. Do you stilllike wandering up to that big stream like a little kid and looking at thatbig screen sing and I'm Nassan, it is and just oh environment of it but yeah. You know I embarrass it seems as acenterfire. You know the actual cinema experience. You know it's never been asbig for me as home, video and watching things on TV, which isprobably why is discussed in a Netflix podcast? I'm not so apprehensive aboutcinemas, eventually shutting down everything being streaming services. Ijust see his evolution. That would break my heart. Like you, I also hadthat sort of sense of wonder when going into a movie theater as a young childthat just felt like a sort of monumental special place, so I woulddearly miss movie theaters, even though I don't go to them that often anymore.Yes, I never really got into the cinema. When I was a teen, I went a lot morebecause dad again would be like. Oh, let's go see this latest release and hewould bring US- and that was probably between two thousand and three and twothousand and eight ish, and that sort of when I graduated high school andthen I was sort of doing stuff on my own most of the time, the stuff thatwas playing at the cinema I didn't want to see, and also with the Australiaback in the day. Our release times for films would be like months later thansay America. So, by the time something was available illegally online, itwould, it would still not be out in the cinemas here, so it was like. Well, I'mnot going to wait three four months to see this film and it just wasn't like agreat selection. I always wanted to pick what I wanted to see and not havelike you can choose from these ten films at these specific times, becauseI don't know if I'm going to want to feel like that. I feel like watchingthat at that time, so yeah, I think, as a as a chain. We probably went a coupletimes a month and now the last few years I go maybe a couple times a yearand the only time I really make an effort to go as if there's a horrorfestival around, because otherwise I'm just not really that interested and ifI can watch it at home, where I'm comfortable to have to put on clothescaning pause and whatever then I got to watch it at time might just mentionthat I actually have until coved hit started going to the Cinemaa moreregularly. It become part of you know...

...my weekly or by weekly routine, justbecause you know living away from home or whatever ould be a timer. We capturewith my parents. Whatever me an, would go, see a movie together when coved hadshuts and missed down. That sort of you know died off a little bit and you knowit's been a few times we have gone out and we've seen something like we saw nomad lane together and some other stuff that appealed to them, but yeah. Youknow up until the OVID closures. You know I was actually going, maybe onceevery two or three weeks to the movies with my parents, just as a catch upthing, so that's sort of you know came in when the game may be the last fiveyears or so, but it was definitely a good period after you know, I guessgraduating Buny, where I just really wasn't going to the movies. That muchyes say ask this question because for me, probably as a result of being adultso young adults, when I got into Tims, I was a student in Nyon, which ispretty big city, and so I had access to a lot of movie theaters that wereshowing a lot of different things. I wasn't preysing that many older timsthey did once a week count movie. They call it but culture just being cold. Sothat's who I would see. I saw a few hitchcocks actually for the first timethat way and the car for me was really important, and you might even arguethat part of why I watched a lot of classic things or all the Times was inorder to have a better understanding of cinema and to be able to have a moreinformed opinion of coincidence, like I guess, because there's this thing in Fin fans were I've talked about this before, where cinemas also, basically amonthly for months. For you see you get to see whatever how, however manythings you want in a certain chain of theaters, so yeah, I really wanted tobe part of the conversation- have have an idea of what the common filmsbecame. Good things are and yeah. I again started watching all the thingsin big path to understand and to have a mind, formed opinion and what you guysmentioned about Ovid and Adam about suddenly having a access to a lot ofsmall theaters, doing all the FEMS. It's actually what I'm doing right now,because, as of this recording, a se must have reopened since two threeweeks here in informs- and now I live me, a palace and really the disperit oftheaters being closed has made me really fear that all of these smalltheatres that still exist would disappear and they haven't, and so Iknow, I'm really Lilian suset into watching these old Dertin in theaters.It's really we invigorated my I desire to go, see them and I've done it a bitand to take a yeah to take this opportunity. In that sense, I guess theclosure of the mass has made the hard core thunder from something that Ithought of probing and see whether it's a case for anyone else. I know it's thecase for Laurana least, is whether you done any extra study in film and howthat's changed your appreciation, because the first degree that I didbefore education actually was in film and Video, and definitely some of thelectures and some of the courses that I did some o them a bit reluctantly. Didit deep in my appreciation and widen my scope of what I was into so I'm justwondering how that might have changed for anybody else. Well, I alreadymentioned you know seeing some movies in high school and class like a gear ofthe wrath of God, which is very influential, but in terms of more sortof formal academic experiences. I took one class in college film. It was not acollege where you could take film production or really major in film is acourse of study, but I took one class and it was a class where I definitelylearn some things in terms of cinematic terminology and cinematic techniques Ilearned about. You know I learned terms like a two shot or a match cut these.We, where things are learned about. On the whole, I did not like that classvery much, as is all too common among university lecturers. I found the theprofessors highly pompous and thus not very informative, but then in Gradschool I became much more more involved in studying film, because I went to toGrad school to study history with a focus on film. I want to be clear. Ididn't go to study film history. It wasn't a a degree in film studies. Itwas a degree in history with an interest in American cultural historyand and especially American cinema. So when I was there, I began studying filmmuch more heavily and reading a lot of film history, not just in terms ofbeing history movies for reading the history of cinematic culture. I read abook, for example, about traveling exhibitions that that went to smalltowns in America. In the early nine hundreds or I remember, reading an agreat article about the popularity of...

...there was a certain type of filmexhibition and I'm talking about you, know nineteen o four or something wherethey would just show a a camera shot from the front of a train and theywould be exhibited in small movie theaters that were designed as if youwere sitting in a train yourself. This was a small but but popular sort of fadin the cinema experience in the very early days. So that was the kind of ofcultural history I was. I was learning about, and I also took you know someclasses specifically in film studies. I very quickly discovered I really wasn'tinto sort of film studies as a separate academic course of study. I thinkthat's where you get much more theoretical and again tends to get muchmore pompous, but there was there was a lot to learn and I very much enjoyedlearning about it. So I also studied history but again because I can tocinema he relates. I didn't really take those courses into film history or intothe culture of cinema as related to history, because when I really got intoTims I was already just just barely post graduates and at that point I wasthey focused on passing an exam which is an examinees to teach in form, andso obviously that didn't leave any whom or really is going afther stuff. Ireally had to study what was on that exam and yeah. It's a big regretsactually, and I kind of would like to do it, but I would never get to time soyeah so yeah I didn't, but I wish I had t is my answer. When I was in highschool, I really did not ever want to study film. I was like that's itagainst it, because whenever we had duddy were studying a film in highschool, it would be like the teacher would say: okay, these are the thingsand the symbolism and whatever, and you have to basically regard gitateeverything I just said, and we don't really want any of your opinions oryour interpretations. It was like stick to this and I was just like yeah thatthat sucks, so it's really really against any kind of academic study offilm. But eventually I did go to film school, like that was production basedin two thousand and fifteen two thousand and sixteen and I got adiplomer of screen and media and it didn't really. I didn't really do muchon the theory, but it really made me realize how much goes into likeproduction, and I mean film. Students are terrible if he and schoolproductions are terrible. But there's are so many things I didn't even knowabout like things like taking at loss and even like just doing so manymultiple takes like I knew that every scene would have multiple takes and shedidn't really realize how many are like from so many different types of anglesand stuff, so it really kind of open my eyes to the actual the nature ofproduction of films. You just hadn't really thought about before, but Ihated production. So then I went to uni and I got a bachelor of us in screenstudies, which was theory based. I loved that and my lectures are actuallynot pompous at all. They were like really good, like they were thecomplete opposite of my high school teachers. They were like. We want youropinions, we want you to engage with the readings that were giving you andthe topics that were covering, but we want you to put yourself into it aswell and most of the stuff that we covered, like I already sort of knew,but it helped me like contextualize a lot of it. It also made me realize thatwe will look into like different aspects of film that I wouldn't havebefore like say tying it into philosophy and psychology and that kindof stuff, whether I agree with it. I'm not not the point, but I just I didn'trealize that the sort of intricacies that were kind of people would use forcriticism of films and and reading films, and it did help me with some ofthe language and sort of putting my thoughts together, but I found soexhausting, which is why I just do like really simple comments now, because I'mnot going to, I don't feel like getting into a fifteen hundred word say forevery film, but yeah really helped me learn that kind of stuff, but in termsof opening up my eyes to different film or of seeing it a different way. Ididn't do that at all, but did I guess help me? I can sort of take a step backand see the film a bit more objectively. It doesn't affect my opinion, but I cankind of sit back a little bit more and think of maybe what they're attemptingand it also helped me- learn a little bit more about certain parts of historyor culture that I didn't know about the lot either yeah. It's very interestingto you guys. Talk about your experiences, be lowing about film, like Lauren idea what was called mediain high school, but a lot of it wasn't theory. In fact, most of it was that itwas more production based like the number one thing that I remember doingis we are to recreate a shop from the opening of a film and the one that Iknow to choose was Billy Eliot, which has him jumping up and down, and mybest friend who was done with me, refused to jump up and down. We, Polandmake him look stupid, so we have to like sort of experiment and get thecamera to like move up and down, and it was like moving up and down. I had likea sort of impression of him going through the year, so so early trickeryinthere, but you a lot of it, was...

...mainly production when I got intouniversity a lot of it was a theory based, but I guess by that stage of L,nee theory quite interesting idea, theory units as well as productionunits, the production part like a lot I said, was very inrestine- was veryinsightful. Seeing just how much effort goes into the things you don't thinkabout, like white balancing and making sure you've got a enough reaction, shotan o doing a documentary in case you need to cut away, but yeah theproduction side year was always a little bit. Taxing for me was very hardworking with and coordinating with other people, so I ended up justfinishing off the degree by doing fery units which didn't really end up takingme anywhere, but it gave me quite a wide appreciation of different parts ofcinema, but before university I was never very much in the documentaries. Iwas actually at the stage where I wouldn't like go and see documentariesin cinema, like I think, only one I'd seen was like boring for Columbine, butthey on that. I had like no interest in documentaries and then I'll show in thefilms of Project Wise Man, I was showing the films of Nicholas Bromfieldwere actually puts his personality into the documentary become equally abouthim, as it is about the subject and just saying different things like I MLouis buner films beyond an Shan Anderlo, which I think every Silem film,but sees early on, but just seeing some other films he's done like Belges logdoor and really getting into cinema. That way, I just done had a much widerappreciation by the end of my film course like Laurence, Sady did get tothe stage where you'd be able to write something quite in death and the filmreviews that I was writing. I guess, towards the end of my film degree,maybe two thousand and sixty thousand and seven were quite anything likeparagraph long reviews like paragraphs on end, and I just can't do that thesedays so like I don't just do a few words. I usually do about a hundred andfifty words but the stuff that I was writing. I've got some of them savesomewhere in my computer for ages are going and I've been doing like a fivehundred like word essay, basically just posting what I'd seen on plastic filmwar and nobody responding to. But I guess it that's the point where I waslike. I don't know if it's worth writing of this or whatever so byanalysis, has dropped down a little bit, since you know finishing the filmdegree getting into education fighting my career elsewhere, but it'sdefinitely was a big influence on me and even though I'd seen more thanother people like the lectures of Eric and like come up to me and like look upto me but they'll sort of like ask me during election. You know if I knewabout this or whatever, because I had a lot of knowledge that did you guys everconsider. I guess it sounds like you considered having a career in cinemalike working in actual cinema, because I I never did, maybe because it waslater that yeah I'm interested in that yeah. I thought it would have one pointI mean originally when I left school I actually started doing low, because Igot good enough grave to do that and everyone's like, oh you're, a goodpublic speaker. So you know you should do this or whatever you got the graveshigh enough to get into it. I'm Lin yeah, okay, so I have laws, my mage andthat type of minor something else secondary that I was studying also so Ihad a I decided to do a film in a video unit and even though it was a reallygreat compared to what I did my switch camuses went to a different university.It was definitely interesting enough. The decided look, I don't want to dothis law stuff, it's really boring, and it's a lot of ringing about things thataren't too interesting. How about I switch careers or whatever,and I got into a film and I originally thought you know- I've been doing somereduction stuff and then I did the production unit. Production is reallyhard because you're working with so many different people getting so manyideas out there, organizing everything white dancing, everything it wassomething I decided I didn't want to do a career is so I thought we may begoing to film theory. I ended up doing honors and doing a thesis about a topicthat was far less interesting at the end of it than I thought at thebeginning of it, and at the end of that I was like yeah. No I'm not about doingthis, which is your when I switched education, but you know it's kind iscome a bit. You know three a d sixty hour because some of the stuff I'mdoing now, I'm actually a teaching kids how to film. So I'm sort of using thatI'm backing. I had before, but so I am doing stuff at the moment, sexual latecinema, which is quite interesting, but it's not you know the production sidethat I did at one stage thought that I'll be getting into. What is it thatyou're working on saw sorry get a kick? Can you re praise that I'm not sure yousay you're currently working on something? Oh, no it just with the whatI'm teaching is Jus at the moment. I'm actually teaching your film and videoor film in video skills, orphotography...

...and video skills at a primary schoollevel. So it's a specialist position and you actually teach kids about howto make a film an make a documentary how to have you know a reaction shot inthere, how to re record voices and yeah. So it's all quite interesting. So likeone of like learn at university, he is sort of like factoring in because it'sactually a part of the primary scale curriculum. Whereas when I grew up itwas just you know, part of the high school curriculum. So yeah it's quiteinteresting and you know what I've learned you know is still useful for me,but it's not what I envisioned when I am boarding university. I thought maybeactually get out there and make films they'll be released at cinemas, but youknow that was the dream and this is the reality and the reality isn't too bad.I didn't really go into my degree thinking I was going to get a career infilm. I just thought I really love this thing and I want tostudy it. So I'm going to go study it. While I was there, I did considergetting into editing, but then my RSI started and I realized like there wasjust no way that I was going to be able to do that and then I just realized Ihated production like I just you like Saul was saying like coordinatingeverything and being on set is like ninety percent waiting and it's just.It's really boring. It's really physical. It's like a trade, and I wasjust like I want to do a trick. I know with a theory I find it really fun, butas a hobby and as an interest not as like a career like, I couldn't reallyimagine having like deadlines for writing a film review or a film essay,or something like that. I just put bother with that, but it was justsomething I wanted to do and I thought well. I want to learn the broad skillsfrom university and I might as well do it studying something I like whether itwill have any impact on whatever career I end up with. I don't know I doubt it,but it's still fun to do for me. I can't say I've really seriouslyconsidered a career and in cinema, except I would say, I considered acareer in history, a film, so it's sort of an academic career. The closestthough I ever came, was you know when I was in when I was a teenager I went tosummer camp. I don't know if summer camp is something that is popular inAustralia are France, but it it's quite popular the popular here in thenortheast United States and the summer camp by Wednesday had a videoproduction. I don't know, I guess you'd call it program, and that was that wasa ton of fun. It was it was, it was totally free. They just gave us kids,some video equipment and a very big basic editing, console and said: Dowhatever you want and we you know ridiculous things. We had a camp newsshow we put together this sort of ongoing murder, mystery cereal. We dida lot of satire. We decided to do a satire mash up of forest gump with diehard. Three. It was called forest dump with a vengeance. It was a very sillyand Depper, so that was fun, and that influenced me enough that when I was asenior in high school, I briefly had an internship at a production company, avery small documentary focus production company called storyville films. Theymainly do arts focus, documentaries about music or about theater at thetime the one I worked on. They did adocumentary about a a fairly well known playwright in the United States namedSusan Laurie Park, so that was the one I worked on they're, most famous, forthey had a short documentary that was is nominated for an academy awardcalled Sister Roses Passion. I didn't work on that one, but but do it workingat that that production company? I quickly realized that I had no interestin working in film production, especially at the lowest levels. It isdreary it's a lot of waiting around and doing nothing. Most of my time I wasdoing transcription. I don't know if you guys have done transcription, it istakingly boring. So No, I did not river really seriously. Consider a career infilm after that. The most boring thing that I've done on a film was one of theprojects. We're doing was continuity. I think it was continuity and I was setacrass. I don't know how I got those things shifted to me and I was tryingto do all these small things, but him to make it interesting, but you knowyou couldn't actually really tell the end of it. How I'd put all thesedifferent things in the set there because it was just like so subtle andthe continuity was party interesting, but you know the team. I was workingwith rope so per day. I think there wasn't really that much to pick up onas far as summer can goes Adam. We do have those in forms and but as I was aErdy kids, so I went to science based some gains. We did like pockets andprogram, video games and stuff like that, but not so much with the with thefirst gum poet is. That sounds fun to, and yes, I never never considered,definitely never considered being involved in production that that doesnot sound like, I think, at all, in any way being a critic. That would be terde fun, but it's definitely definitely a bit late. For that, I think I don'tknow, I guess t any way. I never...

...consider as I consider it as a careermore like that lawn said more as a hobby anyway. What I want to close onis to ask you: Where is your significare ant at this point wit? Whatis still motivating you if anything to watch things? Are you trying to closesome gaps right, see some blind spots or you more interested in what's comingout, so you know who what is still driving you to see moviesat this point? What else would I do with my time? I don't know I mean it's still. It's still somethingthat interests me greatly. I say that as I've you know become much moreindulgent in my sin of Phil as an adult as I've gone from watching. Maybe youknow four movies a week to watching seven movies a week. I'd say thepassion I once felt as a child has dimmed a bit and that's unfortunate, Ithink it's inevitable with any interest. I also think it's inevitable as part ofgrowing older, but the fact that it's still there, then I still watch a lotof movies, not nearly as much as soul or Lauren, when she's really going. ButI still, you know, watch much more movies to my friends at that's thistestament to the fact that that you know it is such a major passion of mineand I feel, like I watched a lot of movies that are disappointing thesedays, but occasionally you just come across that movie. That really deprivesand delights you and it's still a magical experience to me in ters. What motivates me now? I'vesaid before with the list that I check movies that I'm not to you know,passion about you know trying to get that numewous on them and complete them.What does interest me? A lot, though, are the rankings that you get forofficial checks and at the moment, I'm doing a bit of a leap, Frog game withLauren at the moment where she's, just above me in the ranks, but I was justabove her a few weeks ago before she check a ton of short to try. I getahead of me, so the rankings are to keep me going, but you know look ingeneral mind. You know I don't know how to describe it. My sense of wondermentwith I check movies as like corn down over the years. I don't hold it inquite the same esteem that I once did so. The main thing that reallymotivates me is probably the official challenges are on the ISM forum,because they give me a focus of what to watch rather than just choosinganything out there. I've got like three different themes, but I can choose fromeach month and then I get you know super competitive when I see otherpeople watching more stuff than me and we've got an official leader ward goingon. Where have you finish, O op, Ibeto, ten or top twenty? You get so manypoints so that the moment is doing it. For me, I don't know how long it willlast for because I'm watching a very large volume of films. You know, sinceI've joined the IM form and got interested in the challenges I've gonefrom watching maybe six hundred films a year to twelve hundred. I watched a thousandtwo hundred and thirty during the last year. That's feature films, not Short,so I'm obviously watching a very large Doune of it. So I don't know if that'ssustainable on term, but at the moment the challenges are keeping me beinterested. I don't know how long for but yeah for the moment, you're justthat competitive thing having those set themes, the things changing each monthis enough to keep me going. So can I just ask you about that? You know.immitation understand is a big appeal, I'm certainly not one who looks down onGamification at all. I think it's a lot of fun. There must be something moreright. There must be something edifying to you, intellectually or spiritually,or something you know from the movent that you get out of them. Well, I don't know, I think, there's abig competition with Lauren is up we're both from our pet. So I'm trying to bethe the U perfuse with the highest rank on ISM. In terms of all that does forme I don't know, I guess not much. I don't really expect people to respectmy film opinions more. If I'm higher ranked. I don't know I mean I'm justsaying that, because I was something which another user throughout a coupleof years ago with trying again the top twenty five and I cm so yeah, I'm notsure if it's a spiritual thing or whatever I guess I enjoy seeing myright go up, but it's also been high because at the same time I sort of youknow I lost a little bit of faith in the process of the way I check movieshas runyon know I seen a bit of the behind scene stuff and the way thatit's becoming know, Shera selection and it's all about attracting new users andnot so much. You know occasion towards our stabis user base. You know it's notstopping that. You know I'm set in saying this is my goal for life. Youknow four years ago I was when I first joined. I check movies. I'm, like youknow this is going to be. You know, O...

...my Rod. You know towards you know,watching films for quite a while, so yeah I don't know, may it's just likeimpeditive nature. I mean even with the challenges that we're doing at themoment. You know if I get the top, I go on top ten year. I get a few points. Itdoesn't really do anything for me, so I don't know if it's just the thatpleasure of seeing my name in bright lights or whatever if they get a highranking a lot of the challenges. Maybe it's something to do with that. I don'tknow we call Ceratonia or whatever that's sort of like thing you get whenyou get like that sort of Ding on your iphone. I don't know if it's like that,I'm not sure. Maybe it's a sense of self satisfaction, but then it's also asense of you know how much time with my squandering doing this. So that's myroundabout way. Okay, the thing is dopamine. Thank you, Frenchpronunciation. Please helping with my English pronunciation, I'm no good with yeah. It's my round a way way of Achnot answering Adam's question yeah. Lately I well over the last fewyears my obsessions kind of died down. So I just kind of watch stuff when Ifeel like it, but I was the like number one I cama from Perth since twothousand and nine, so I'm very keen on stopping my menaces from beating me inthe right at the moment, but like early this year, I went like three months tothat watching a film just because I was pretty stressed with uni, but I justwasn't in the mood and then I just thought ill star, just working on my closest awards and stuff,and then that just like spoke my interest again. I find yeah when Istart to sort of lose interest if I start to focus on something I'll bereally into it for a while and then I'll get bored and then I'll beinterested in something else. I just can't stick to sort of one thing, but Ido like to have a focus when I'm watching film, but even if I'm notwatching films, quite like just reading about film I never used to. But then,when I was so mention this in another point past, but when I was starting togather lists and reviews for they shoot son Bes, I got really into like readingwhat other people were saying about films and before that I was kind ofjust Latini. Don't care so now like even when I'm not watching, I'm alwaysreading or listening or something like I'm always doing something. Son Related,it doesn't just have to be watching it for me, so as kind of where I'm at. Iguess I just kind of like if I feel like it I'll watch stuff, and it's notall read stuff. What about you matche well in terms of the IM when kings, Idon't care much about it, but that's probably just because I'm not eveninnocent galaxy, as you as you guys, is it's easier not to care when you'relosing, probably but yeah. That's that's not rely. I go. I guess to methe I think that much as men life for most things is to try to understand theworld to get a better understanding of it. That's why I'm studied history andJography, but tim for me, is another way to do that. It's also a way totertain myself, of course, but you know, I guess that's the prime movie thingand there's Ali, and so I'm always trying to get a better understanding,but of the medium and of other cultures of the time to test a h t one of thethings that's going on currently is that, for me, is that I got into athing most Yo, English based media, English, based lists and critics etta,and so I noticed at some point. That's when I read or listen to French critics.They would treat some things as being these very big deal: films, that's Bas,basically dog register for English critics, so Amakin critics, and solately I've been trying to kind of be motien about watching many Frenchclassics that in the long term, the goal is to kind of deep everywhere kindof have more global and more universal knowledge, which isobviously impossible, but trending towards that of cinema and I'm stillreally into new leases. I think more than most people, alciati Ng in thispodcast or e, this particular one- all the Pecos ones yeah and really reallyenjoyed being into what is being talked about now, because that's the way toconnect with people who are not that much into movies, because they hearabout the big things like Souventi, no midland like seeing that having anopinion about. It is also a way for me to interact with people, which I findthe enjoyable so yeah that that that's what the where I'm at- and I think withthat we can end this episode. So thank you for listening and join us againsoon, Oh and if you thought I could go oneepisode without at least making a Camo appearance, you be quite wrong and justremind everyone that this is indeed a follow up to our very first episode ofall time. How we got into cinema were all of the original hoats shared ourinter way into the world of cinema. For anyone interested in comparing thisepisodes and saying who did better? Was...

...that the original? Or was it indeed,the remake? Go back to our very first episode and find out for yourself andof course, drop by the Forum and tell us which you prefer and how you gotinto cinema. You have been listening to talking inmice, official podcast of ignoram, a.

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