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Episode 1 · 1 year ago

How We Got Into Cinema

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In this episode Chris, Clem, Gary, Tom and Sol each talk about their all-time favourite film and try to explain the impact the films had on them.

Welcome to talking Inmeche theofficially unofficial podcast of the ICM forum, which of course can alwaysbe found that ICM forum com, today's topic is our cinemaic journey, Bot,Port Te Passion for cinema, and how do we get where we are today? So, let'sstart with our probably oldest member, taking a Vigary ogood morning or goodafternoon to you euros, my name's Gary Ormas is my screen name on the foreown,Gary old man on ICM. I am what our friend Yonus calls dinosaur old sixtysix years old. My film journey really serious interest started in the mid S,so I o my name's Tom from England. My form name is Philim Banter, I'm Prett to years of old, andbasically my films ine really got going during my years at university, where Ispent a lot of time watching films instead of studying and it's carried onfrom there when I discovered the ahek movies for okay, I'm yoga from theNetherlands, I'm fifty seven years old, a name on the FORMIS GAAFA was prettylate as comfering movies around two Thousandad, seven, so asareadymaorties.So as at work. We're talking movies- and I thought well that's interesting.Let's do this Adam Aden, rich on the forum I'm vairtyto from Scotland, ane witi interest, Weri started, I would say about n aname. That's when I was at Yune as well, and I started watching Tor and fiftyMTB Nen, not long after I found I check movies. I Know My name is Kremau andtwenty five and from France N my interest, ing film started about would say eight eight years ago, when Iwas about sixteen seventeen itpretty much started because out ofBordon, I would say, because I didn't have much to do, and I was listening toa lot of music back then and yeah. I just started watching films justcurious to see what all of fims that say would look like and I enjoy themand I joined IMDV started working on thetop two hundred fifty then I discover dicheck movies and forum, and I've beenthere at I ever since I'm Chris, if you ever do come visit the forum, if you'reone of the magical people who are not that Eforan. Currently that you willsee my posting under the name, Sait Cloth- I am twenty nine years old,originally from Norway, but I'm currently reciting in Molta and mycinemaric yourney started when I was around fifteen. Sixteen essentiallyjust started college and Got Exposto SOM oller films getting up very curiousas very curious about that, because before that, my idea of as I like, allthe films aren't good and once that spell was broken back ly, seeingsomething that was older than nineneited. Everything suddenly startedto make sense. So obviously there was a time before wegot interested in films. Let's Talk Littl bit about what our early exposureto feelims Wer, what we talked about films before we actually Viewe it mors,not formeras Ta Hobby, and we can start again with with Gary. Well, my journeyto film was a long, slow and tortuous one. Let me tell you this is like old man yelling at clouds.Here when I was young, we had broadcast television or go to the theater andthose were the choices. I did always...

...love film. My mother love films, mygreat grandparents and my grandparents owned mearly movie theaters. In fact, Chris knows that I actuallygave a talk about that at the Library of Congress last year, but my grandparents, they used to tellme stories about the early days, and I remember they told me the talkes ruinedthe movies, so this was prvhs or anything. So as far as regular TV, itwas strictly Hollywood fair. You know you. The best thing you'd see would behitchcock bogar those type of films. My interestin other movies really started expanding when public broadcasting.Thank goodness this was in the mid s. They showed on Saturday nights. Theywould show a foreign film or a silent film. So that's where I was firstexposed to Bergmann Filini Trufo, and then I found this book called the GreatMovies by William Bayer and that really exploded my interest. It was painfulbecause there was no way really for me to see very many of those movies. Ittook a long time for me to get to that one one outlet I had was the Universityof Illinois. Their Student Union showed classic films on weekends and I wasable to see some things like citizen cane, the searcers Heroshamamona Mor.It really took a long time for me to get where I wanted. I mean it was. Itwas very expensive. You want to buy a even a vhs. I bought VHS films of likeLadulcha Vita and they were fortydollars or something- and this wasin the S, so it was not an easy task. I can actually relate to that evengrowing up in the in the S, because I remember Ike, Ninety Five, ninety sixand seventy eight. Now we didn't tell we ajust system, we would actually goout and rent bhs system. You know, sosent, we go to the VHS rental store, go eand and get get and Hig get get theOne bhs o Tbhs, tate that you actually wanted and Tbh as Consol D, take themout for in a on to days, watch them and t take the pieting back, but even evenwith that Chris was it very easy to find classic type films, or was itmostly mainstream trash? That's what I would ASNTAC, mostly man, FAM tras. Idon't think I would even know the difference at that age to that's. Truelike like the memories I have are like of jungle, book and good fieldredsmovies that pay Moush arebone. So on a easy access to Oh and the gury bearslike every hepisoe Ti Gummen bans for some reason, because ATA Yuwuldis before Thd Buk set. So youhad like three or four episodes on the bhs tape. You know when you could gotrough. The rental story and get ut get for episode at the time was that gummy bears or care bears Tei.Think it's Gov buts. Isn't it eoming entirely different? Its calledBo Pibrn Nat, okay, yeah Itos, like the Bar, don't jump about tefight orps. I haven't heard of that. I think it'sFrench, so I might know no never heard of it Orrigh, I'm notsure, I'm completely wrong as well. So letactually look that up an you Yo guys give to. I actually remember the gummy bears Iused to watch that grown up as well, so you're, not alone there Chris, it was agreat show. Maybe it has a different name here, so it probably does. I thinkI think almost anyone around the world that co up in like the s remember theshow is it jummy bears like Legukendy e, completely wrong, its, not French atall, Thir's. Actually, the full tytle...

...which ive found on Ecipedia here is this tis adventures ofthe gether Ber, so not French at all very much Disne SA keep going Gary. Sothanks got somewhat better in the s when cable TV we had a hundred channelsinstead of fifty or instead of three whadturner classic movies Independent Film Channel. So I was ableto find some things with that, but really I wasn't able to really scratchthat it. It's really amazing now to be able to find virtually any film thatyou want at your fingertips. It's just coming from where I came from is justamazing and I still still not really used to that inors. So far behind therest of the world, we had four or five chandels like going into two thousands.If we were getting Swedish TV, that's how poor the situation were and Actuallyha exactly the same same way offindig classics, especially Classic Qortem Fills because the state channelthe did the same thing as I guess your State Shannel that which was once aweek a don't remember what day it was Ymore, but once he week the woul showone classic, just one Tik. I think it was likeFriday evening for a long time. That was he only way. It was either that oractually buying the DVD sshvhs or going to the library. But I can talk a littlebit more about fantastic libraries. Norvaiie bit later continue. Wint TeWin Tom here so before you got properly into cinema like what was your exposureto say the man? What were you thinking about it like? How did you view filmsbefore I became a filmbath? I always look films from very early age. I'vegot two older brothers, one seven years old, EF thamand one ten years olderthan me. So a lot of the things that I watch when I was younger were perhapsnot suitable for my age necessarily. I remember one thing that sticks out inmy mind is we used to watch Indiana Jones and the last crusade quite a lot,and I wasn't allowed to watch a certain clip towards the end when it nacysolder drinks from a cup that he believes tobe the Oly Gral and then tend into a skeleton. My parents wor that that wastoo upsetting for me to view and also Stan by me, was one that I used tolove when I was young and again the bit where kids discover the body. I wasn'tallowed to see that at first and I think that these probably justifiedparental bands and not leting me see that fur films kind of shape. Myviewing habits, because I had an interest in wasn't deemed suitable formy eyes from then on and that kind of expanded into my interesting extreme cinema films that have beenband uld being controversial, how they stop you from seeing the end of thefilty with this tendeout of the room or Yeth so hid thei diver, stop the tapeor get me out of the room. I was very young at this. You know maybe like fourfive years old, so I don't think at the time. You know I was too concerned withit. It was just something that you know took place every now and again, and Idodn't think that it was something that was done a lot. It's just those twofilms specifically that stand out in my mind, and I suppose, from there I went on to watching films round myfriends houses. So staying up late and sleep overs with watchings, like kidsand a clock were corrange. That became one of my favorite films and still isto this day and it kind of yet developd from there. I was kind of interested tohear that everyone else's starting point revolved around the IMDB toptoand fifty, because that was quite a cornerstone of Myea leviewing as well,and another interesting thing was that one of the lists on I check movies, TheGuardian one thousand and one films to see before you die. That list is takenfrom the newspaper that my dad used to buy and for a time I was activelyworking on that list before our check...

...movies even existed. Just going throughthe inserts and tacking them off manually- and I do still actually havethose insurts- you think that I think movecom,essentially just finalize relove Ofer doing already, which were to find thisand try to complete them about what I actually used to do was to find theversion of it online copy all of it. The PUTIA dober document, so not in esPency, not CAS in the first ped pet, but I gror documented. Then I wouldeither remove the title or make a title really small SORV that don't have eveseen it and thei other titles will be Baid, and if I really wanted to see afilm, I would maybe put it like into like a sixteen or twenty pixel. So thetcoil make it bigger than t asin stand out. I would remember it for a laternotice. I didn't watch a lot of TV growing up, really remember my parents being TVwatchers either. So I guess e were more the type of person to read. So I wasreading a lot when I was when I was younger. I guess I would watch a biatof TV here and there watch some cartoons and stuff like that, but my parents were not not into films atall, so I don't have any memories of me sitting with my parents or sitting withfriends or whatever watching films Bu. I guess it's something that really came to me by itself. At'd, say you're,not with teal of someone, someone close to me, so I started getting into filmsand I was about fifteen sixteen. As I said before. Before that I waslistening to a lot of music, mostly I was also living abroad like then, I wasliving in Cycros from twelve years old, toeighteen o I was in a French school,but we only had classes on the the morning and the afternoon most ofthe afternoons would be free. So I had a lot of times and time on my ends andsince I not reall like going out back, then I would just stay home. Listen toMusic Anda. It just reached the point where I wanted. I wasstarting to get curious about other things and yeah I want to. I was also watching bits o films hereand there, mostly like French comedies from the two thousand and stuff likethat. I guess I just wanted to see if theye were something else, somethingbeyond that. So I found about IMDD I joined first, I only joined to Brat rate thefilms I've seen just to just to remember. I also Hadd a traight Xcem sheet backthen, when I was t enter all the films I've seen myratings and wed have some kind of statistics. With decades year, countryand stuff like that, which I still sem do today, then I started looking at theIMDV top two Tho, two hundred fifty like pretty much. I thank you. A lot ofpeople ye started by the oarliest films, so guessitwas, a Shonshang Redemption, wellthe, Indiana Jonts back to thefuture stuff like that which ihad never seen before. Then I got into the older stuff, so wegot Father Twelve hangrymen, citizen, Jina, sevenSumarie stuff like that, and then I found out about I check movies and I really like the idea of Rlis andworking through through them finding suggesttions and also completing them.Sometimes so I joined the website. I started working on well, I didn't Rey started working on alist ace. Then I was just reading into or Oro films, so I would watch...

...a lot of them anything that anything that I could find it's actually when I joined the forumand started possting in March two thousnt and twelve that I reallystarted focusing on certain lists: throug challenges, mostly so the formof our old thing and yeah. I think that I think that's about it. E was a kidgoing to the cinema was special ocation only ontursdays, or maybe for Chrismost of the FO FIMS I've seen was on TV really oun. There was only one channoland the wich for kids on Wednesday Saturday. Itdid show some other movies, then ca with my mother liked gregory pack, sothose movies I want- and he also was ather elaborate musical father- wasn'tinterested in movies at all. He went watching movie after about ten minutes.He wull Lin leep size mentioned earlier. I got into the BBT fifty guys at work.We were working on it and talking about it and I think they have finished it,but I did and writ about when I was close to finish eating Y, an couter. Icheck movie, Stu sougt, Hey morelist, to- and I finished this list that everyone else also doesthe cartoon list, and I worked on some list for a while, but I stopped workingon lists and just peak SOS here and there and Ike exploring kinds of stuff ig like as born eighty seven, I kindo Iwe up with likees an NTIES film. So when I was a kid I always watched on TV, I can rememberIndiana Jones back to the future. determinator know my mom used to take me to thecinema. Sometimes she always tells s the story when she come me to JrassicPark. UT T T, I must have been about wer six years old, I know like when shebought the tickets on was like read that I was going to be ered. I don't actually remember seeing it Ithe first one. I remember she is a lying king. I end up seeing that twice the cinema,and that was always one of my favorites used to meand my sistersed to go to video rental stores ther, as in the EAS ther wasict to we had twoshops in the same street. That's how popular it was back then to rent I meanthey were a costum word from e Joper and I used to always get tepremarialbromers animated TV show, which I remember my sister. I wasalways very annied about, because ethe exacton video every time then hang up. It was basically mysister actually o was there's like three three four yearsolder than me, and she was the one who was reallyinterested in frond films frro. You I remember going went with my dad andmy sister to see cutching Tiger Hidden Dragon. I would have been about twelveremember my dad and I fella sleep for ten minutes. Ohi Wasn't instantly Einthat kind of yeah, as I got towards the end of Uni, O your Unio. That's when Istarted watching capter fifteen amember. What Baut theinterest, I think, had a lot of free time in the FENRA yeargone, because Ionly had a couple of various of nexes a week yeah that was bi tos an Itoisand,an Nen. I started working on that and list website. I can't remember businesswebsite where you could check like it was like I check movies, except theonly list that had was a p. u fifteen, just ticked off the list basic ly, butthis was it back. INPISOAL NO H Ni want. Eventually I wat I ad Bett,esate and that', so interveson and ten. I found ped check movies because there was a whole group of uswho used to post on the facebook Grup...

...the toptr fifty brook and that's kindof what started fot to the forum. I also remember a system is t one who was reallyinteresting. I remember as a kid my mom used to watch a lot of order, sholmsISO an we going a crime once so I remember watching the birds. Forexample, if Syou watch some hitchpok films, I have like vague recollectionsof watching oter films. How is this TV by the way like are ou? Are you guysconsistently showing older films or is it just new stuff? And when I was going up,I only had four channels until til I was in high school. We just got forchannels and shore. The Love was seven. Is I his name is that was all the stuffI watched, but then, once twey went to high school,we got more channel. It was like classic film channels that kind ofthing, but didn't have any interest that much interest in order films as akids, I'm not sure Han. It is showed. U It wasn't, pobably, not a lot. I meanit was only four channels, so that was it was very few options then to watchstuff. I didn't have the Internet and of Computer High School Iver for almosteveryone. So if how was it for like? For you, Clem in France, did you guyshave three four channels as well or did you actually have a Helae bit of apetter selection? We had more channel and and that, but, as I said before, I don't. I have neverreally been a TV watcher and my parents were not reay either so yeah. Sometimesthey would show films, but we would not really watch them or anything, but ifyou go only on the public channels, yeah you' find mostly some blockbustershere and there sometimes yeah yeah. So sometimes you can find some older films,but it's you usually during the night or very early in the morning, so youhave to actually record them unless you want to watch it at three or four Amo. I wasactually always around films, alot because he stillive estraise, as we had to rent the VHS comsol. When I wasvery, very young bith, my dad like just before I was born. He was a coowner oflike a small bhs rental store. Wevh went bast, so he actually had a largeamount of VHS capes in the basement, which I weta idn't see it. The Lotlater and started that started going through when I was a little bit olderand got interested but thever around and e would take some of those up liketeones tat, Wer, sheld friendly. I mean we watche those. We would consistently go to VHS rental stores and me just shops andfind like a movie for the week and Etcet. So I was always around films,but not in any kind of serious way. Like I was going to the opposite ofClem. In that I watched a lot of TV before I lookd into movies. I wasreally into TV shows I would get oe probaly get to be AESA for it. ButasWenas dids came out. I would get like the early dimity, boxsets etce and at some point I think, istartedtiring a little bit of of shows didnt tely find that that challenge shingssai they didn't feelly, feel like thes, cashful isiting back an watching TV,for instance. I wanted something a little bit more son size, somethingthat I'm not sure I think wo a. What wassomething that mattered a little bit more, something that gave a bit more ofan experience, so I tougt instead of sitting an Morging TV, say two threehours and en evening in the random evening I culd watch I moving insteador two movies. Instead, savent started Trin to find some movies to watch inthe beginning that wasn't really any kind of olthecall special movies. Itwould be Walt Garyverto earlier as mainstream trash and terrible terriblecollection of fiels that tist arn't to they just know the terrible thatterriblr how culd anyone ever watch...

...such thint, but UTUES II, sorted lowly, woring Tham anI. It just actually get anything that was on Awith pick films pace in thercovers instead o this WATC oforte, O ther was put in front of me and thatlend o watching a lot of things that just weren't really interesting andobviously, if you watch a lot of things that aren't very interesting, the nextinthe next TOR to come into mind. This wal is interesting and that's when Idiscovered I am tdan Ion B top twod fifty and that that seems to be like the line between almost all of us,including Gary, except that his passion started a bit earlier, but for rest ofus really seems like it really seems like just discovering inb in Amit ofthe s. What for almost everyone of our generation, tick this off in thebeginning, I was doing the same as many F. Yow Wich also haven't ignored theolder stuff, but I wul kind of like see. Okay, these are the big new movies areon that list. Let's see them and that wrote out really really well. I started getting more more interested.I started seeing more of more stuff was more buried films, but I still had thisextreme creptudis against alther films and I'm not sure, if kind of anyoneelse there had that, but at least was very common in Norwa. Just assume thatanything older wasn't any Jo Lik. Was that your experience as well, when I was younger? Yes, yeah? I think,of course, but I didn't really knew when film started either. So I just of course I knew I knew bout novelvargand stuff like that, but I didn't treally and I knew about silent films and stuff, but I neverreally bothered watching them because you know for me they were outdated, let's say, and it didn't showany purpose, because you know what was made a hundred years ago wasobviously worse and what Wasn' being made today for years. That was a way Iso to bag. Then no yeah, my feelings of evolved to bit, let's say but yeah atthe beginning. I was really mostly focusing on recent filmsand kind of ignoring the order stuff os. When I started at College Act,Wellactualit's a difference. It was exprense at the end of like secondaryschool, which is that they prot on Amodays, and this wasessentially the with rolling Ol tose big hard back tvis. Now those massivemonsters, my first reaction, that this is actualyreally interesting, because this is what spart, almost my entire ND citimicJory in the way, because I saw it at this specific point- Ididn't like it, I'm Mos if I engaged UIN particular way. I guess I was likefourteen fifteen and I tio had just doined INTB O ad, seeing it on SOM toplist, and I remember, after seeing this film not liking it. I went to theseforums and back inib Foran celexist. I think I's and I', essentially Thi Sartorting, with people on the modaas form that this movie is so terrible. Why doanybody like this and then, like two years later, whenthey enter college? I went to meaand communication and they had a proprolatorium and theystartd hem of tdayears again itm. I think it was one of the first films the did there I sat down. I came in it really lowexpectations that came in with Alall of these memories, of not caring forourmales, but in the meantime, I'd also been watching a lot of the stuff fromDiamet upter fifty and had built up slightly more interesting films. So Idon't know what has changed in Thosh...

...two years like whata changed it me whatSAS with my interest, but I loved it. It instantly became apart of mine atthat time, top Tim and it started some o strange cod process in my head that Ihave been completely wrong about this movie IV been seeing it Buti from myperspective in completely wrong about this movie. I've been seeing it from avery specific perspective and did't know why. But I didn't know that what Iusuedy think was a bad film was now a good film, and that starts making interesting therest of Dyan be top to fifty andi is actually athanks to mee e midiatecommucation occasional, in a way that I really started to give all the feelinsTeeiv chance because they put on like multipitor and they put Sitin Kan they put on several of theseclassic films, and I don't remember which one I saw at home personally,which one didn't, but I quickly learned that H. I believe that films that Eren't madeday before day this were particularly good. Clearly fiels made in the s aregood. Why wooden films from the S or s or Thirtis, Pany, good and thougt? Theheld women was okay. When did tiy become good when ha? I I started going again totime bit of the fifty and getting a few of these films. I think I started withCasabanka. I saw it and I loved it, and I started going through most of themain stream classic films like I guess it more of the mansroom can likeFrankinstey, etc and tat that time too, I think that just a classic acting, itactually appealed to me in a way very similar to the way treating moviesappealed to lot of people at least appeal to lot of people like a fewyears lathere before tsait wow. This is a completely different experience. Ihaven't seen anything like this before it was kind of like this Temmi sourealexperience of something different and it jast got be really excited aboutturtis movies, for this movies etcetera for a decent amount of time there have it tryto record any film from that period. No matter like I don't Ombo didn't evenreally care about. ratetings ran te, be aseteresentally. The strege recordanything on TV that was older, tednday forty fiftyyears or about thirty fourt years, recorded the Morshit theres, there'ssome curating going on as well, obviously for a TCAN like why, with theTV JANL in the country, with tat, put probably five six TV channels put onsomething that wasn'tpleitely like, but that was my early education, ifessentially just recording anything that was slightly older and then VerisSooent, anything that had a spighty high rating on my MDB and then Ideveloped a very serious film ediction. I think he wer more O cathe up to thesame poinnt. So we got into the point that we discovered IMVD. We Sol the IMopte fifty and e started working on it. That seems to be the point yeah, andthat seems to be kind of like a merer point for all of us, and I think it'salmost even the same time. Like I probably start working on, I back intwo thousand an and six it was. It was in to thousand a eleven.I think for me. I think it's interesting just the different pathsthat everyone has taken to get O. to this point myself, I used to be on the rotten tomatoes forthem. This was in the late oughts, and that was just a fantastic resource totalk about films and somebody randomly...

...in a topic mentioned ICM. I thought. Oh,that sounds cool, so I went over and joined it and in a lot of ways, that's really changedmy life, and I think Chris and Adam know a lot about about that. I meaninteresting. Just hearing everybody's differentperspective is instill rotten tomato forum nowbecause I have never heard of it now. For some reason, the wise peopleat rotten tomatoes basically did away with the form this was maybe twenty tenor so, which was really a shame, there's a sort of an offshoot of it that some ofthose people have- and I forget what it's called right nowI visited occasionally, but it was never the same after that. Well, Ithink that could even be a good topic for a later for later, podcast is debt,the destructions of all forums around the world, esentially Beno it ubsetsand forums over the past years. Noti, because that's like that's where mostof my interests of fim als Wel, it wasn't just IMDB top to fifty. It wasthe IB message porch for me, so I joined when you join NB. At that point,ther were just these massive collections of message: Ports. Therewere probably among the most active message: Ports in the world, thebiggest one being film general, and there was also classic movies and Jus.So so many others, that's where you know I starto see gettingrecommendation start to get en know these other people, someof them Actuaya Lot of theme, members of Tiseam form now as well. This is like these are the people whopush me further than I ane bat up Te. Fifty, I think, that's I think, there's a point when your. How do you put this? I think there'sthin Tis a point when you'e been watching tte bit of the Fiftan is stillcrave more. You want Eer, you finish it or you finish most of it or I finish. Istuff that's interesting to you, but you want something else. You won't Chase Tlore Thet said hey can and a alittle bit further and for me that is been started withfhem General Dialy beform, where this met all of these people, Havwere so much more knowledgeable. Tha Me ofthe people who are sharing theirlists consistently, many of which will copy down and keep in my word of thesirements earlier, and I will just start exploring learning about them. AD. that's also how I learned about they should pictures SOM'ething, that's howwe learned about that website and started to work on that list as well. Ithink that's also a relatively common stat. Did you guys, go the same route F,essentially just going from the bitop to fifty to teyshul pictures or wherer.Other steps are a completely different, pat, more or less. I went from the MImdbotwo fifty to the one thousand and one movies you must see before you die.First then, I went to the should picture Donte as well,which are never completed. I'm still working working on it to to this DanielI'm just taking my time, and I don't want to Bin Watch everything everythingin it. I want to take time to appreciate that's say every tream thereis there is in it. I've never really looked at the forums on in DV FRYO canno they're gon yeah. You know, I know I think it was Teback, then,because my English was not good enough for me to Stak in English, so Icouldn't join the Forum where people would obviously speak a language, I'mnot familiar with and yeah. Actually I found out about, I check movies for very early on, and I just thought it was a good place forme to stay, so I just stayed there and...

...never really took the nevereally took time to check out theimdvs, a fim, genral and CASSIC movies, even though I stumble upon list thatwere made by this board some from time to time and they're interesting goodlist. So it's a shame that I think that thisforms are gone because it in that there war lot of quality produced like thettinthing part about that is that I'm not sure if t its majority but Closey perhalf of the members or withthe active members of both film, General and Classic Movies, went toICMAS Suden it closed because we had this month of the way when theyinformed us. The forms woul be closed and perception an myself and a fewothers of the active of the people who are activitizedeinform, Anfum, GeneralWor, just messaging, essentially every single person in our friendly saying,like hey. This can be your new hole and I think angel runs the doubling the cannon profect you took.He used to be at the Classic Board Hat, that's where ditis originally was born,so he brought with him a massive amount of those people to when I completed the IMDB top to fifty.I think se, similar to yourself Chris, I started exploring the IMDB forums andI think I was more of a Lec at this point. I didn't really post, but I usedto enjoy reading what everyone had to say their film recommendations and Iused to frequent the horror boards, because at this point my passion forhorror had really developed. I rarely found films that scared me, soI was always looking out for something that could, and I feel that any filmthat that scares me is, you know pretty impressive, because I've seen so muchharder than I I love being able to still find that kick from filmsoccasionally and the IMDB horiboards really helped with that and then fromthen on. I moved over to I check movies. I can't remember exactly how I stumbledupon it and but once I was on there, it was the most favorite list that reallysuck out to me. I watched a few films. There were Higu on that. I think letternever sent was one of the firces elected I've never even heard of it,but I found I available on Yousube and it kind of blew me away. I wasobviously impressed with the IDB top two and fifty, but I felt like a'd surpasse that and Founda noterlevel of films. That would you know just as brilliant, if not more surpassed it. thereasing Sper, fibath Ifyou, get that point where you startsaying: I'm the film, but I'm a simiwhatever. You want to call it, butyou know we're all passionate about films and it's it's great, that weshare this passion and it's so fascinating to learn that we've kind ofyou know followed it a similar path with Im, I jus say the Topt, fifty andimdb being somewhat of a gateway drug and then by then the addiction is justkipked in and we need more brilliant films and, where wee going to find them and that's kind of where I check movies,came in little bit different that I don'tfollow any lists anymore. A the movies tithe choose are either totally randomor often recommendations on the forum somebody is raving about ever. I think.Well, maybe that's something I could check out and other thing that I often do is wehave results of a pole. Look at all thescreenshots and some pop out and...

...remember once I finished the Topto SiftCa. I set up facebook group FRY check movies andthen there was various uther groups. Oh, the first thing I remember moving on tois the top is nwtop t se for the decades, a lot of the order decades notorder films were in Te upt. Fifty, so I started watching. All of themeventually am to be I completeed for a Lo yeah. That's when when I first wason, I tick movies, once I so yeah. That was my. That was my big interest and also number working throug Tanese nistsin a big interest. I once a forim started a lot of my stuff. I watched you know food forum mists orrecommendations on there, so that Wasna rearly good tas a good way to find newfilms. Eventually, eventually, I just working on thist random LE chose films, ond o. What Iwas in the mid for similar to me as well. I think my patwas more about eventually breaking away from Y nlybe because was still a fewyears until I s m. most most be created, so if a matter how many you frequented thefilm general forms, but they were pretty much infessive ittrols a tifert,consistently kind of see, thes same topics over and over and over again orpeople who weren't really that interestin films, Ere Askng, very basicquestions, so the core user base ended up, creating a for Tabes separate fromINB, recalled it film, General to Grecgitu, and then eventually it was SDtreat essentially wecreat a community ofpeople who had as a much much greater interestin films andHasmar Easer tofive recommendations. You wuld start to form Sitein betterrelationships with these people as well. So you would know okay. This person hassimilar interest. o Me is like more. I can quickly realize that if theyre likea film AV Ben most like to life tha film as well- and I gei this was beforeICM, so we didn't really have lest to help us with. So those tels ae reallygood experience as well, and then at one point somebody UST MESSAGE: I don'tremember who it was an ontremary fors, a thread or a private message, but theytold me about I check movies I went there. I saw that I could sheckfilms on Lacene would remember what I had seen y joined and that's more orless how I found it like. I was just a regular standard emember. I was no partof this top to fifty proop that Atam Gary, an maybe okay,was perporof. I was just using using us. I check movies until I gotthat one message that one internal message fromfrom the openers informing me that it was now an an anificially unofficial,faicebook group wasn't pat that grouper taway. What did you say? Okay, wasn't part ofthat Grouw by the way cause you have the same experience withme and you joined isick movies, and then you got that email to Oh e didn'teven get the email because o the top hunder underto. Whatever read about theforum where I also don't Rememer, but I didn't get the Yeo, there was a periodwhere I must have fond a lot of free time, because I remember viting, like the top five hundred users, oe Faroitout Yo were on the facebookupwel for some reason, but nothe, so Tis BIS for was AFORMD. There was facebookgroup and that group essentially withered away and Adam and Laurendecided to create the ICM Forof, the officially unofficial forum of ISECMoviescom, which is the Formon Noane...

...love today, which folthing es aroundtwo thousand and ten right, because this is the tenyear anniversary. No,the forum was presient Leven next year, as a tenyear GROIP started. I think in twenty ten no enjoyed ICM in two thousand and nine,but the I guess the Facebooko might have sarted into Dostan ton. I'm VBEENVisien Nan, actually there's a lot of yeah. What guy says?Maybe that's for another day, because there's a lot of drama and enitely. That's that several podcast and severalbest okay k an number seven hourss. I think it's at this point: You'v coveredmore or less how we got interested films, how we got trookd and how thatmore or less develop. Let's talk a little bit about where we are today, orrather what's different. Now from when you were first getting at themover or like first few years of yours in Philia, and we can start wait caryagain. Well, I have watched a lot of movies. I think I have pretty much exhaustedthe cannon so these days I watch for pleasure. Primarily I dofollow some list just just for fun. I I completed the big MOAR list. There's additions every month, or so Ijust keep up with that. I've been working on the ZOMBI's list lately,just I'm stuck in home. Nothing to do so just watching films that don't require a lot of a lot of brain power is as fit in with my mood lately, but I'vewatched I watch pretty much everything mainstream trash whatever now man, it instram fresh.What do you mean? I'm sorry when you se mainstream trash?What do you mean? Oh well now the theaters are closed right now, but mywife and I had the subscription to the movie theaters, where you could seethree three movies a week if you wanted to, and so we were watching pretty mucheverything new that came out, not necessarily everything that we wereparticularly interested in, but it was a way to pass the time and something todo w bad boys for life and downhill. I mean you know all thisrecent stuff that's been coming out so Tom. How do how do you think thatyour interest in film has changed from Fersis Coring Olf these lists? Well, I think that it's changed quitedramatically from what I used to be interested in, as Garry pointed out,mainstream trashes kind of the way that most people get into cinema. So I usedto love all that. You know loud explosions and stuff like that, but now see maete shifting towards more kind of foreign, an Arto cinema, just tryandget it. You know a different kick from the films that I watch, something that entertains me, but alsoyou know, stimulates me something. That's fought fovevking and you knowit's something that resonates on it on a deepe level. Part of this was passion as helped with a volunteer position. I took up with aa local film theater, a few years back, which was an artouse, an independentArto cinema. I used to love, volunteer ing there, because I'd literally justhave to spend about thirty minutes selling tickets toeveryone and then got to go into the...

...film for free. There was just the oneauditorium and the had to be one person in there as the the fire warden, so tospeak, so I always offered for that. I was happy to stay after selling thetickets to watch the film they would often put on QNA sessions with people involved infilms. So there was a great cubic season at one point and there's a man called John Jordan, whowas the sound Editoron, Clo oclock, Wuia corringe, and he got to introducethe film and things like that. Where there's more discussion involved aroundthe film really helped to kind of expand to my knowledge and interest offilms. So it's it's a that was great fun butunfortunately, when I relocated had to give that up. I also attend a film festival every year calledGrimfest a great hiofilm fesiralling in Manchester, and that's about four orfive days of just sitting in the dark room, watching six or seven homen filmsa day and that to me is pure heavin. I don't know if anyone else in the grouphas been to film festivals, but I would love to travel and potentially do somemore abroader at some point, it've been to the Burlin film Festifal once andthat was verty Nice. If especially like it. When the original Creator MissPresent answer questions ofcourse with some of US technicallywent to film festival together, Remember back to intwo thousand and andfifteen when you came or to visit me. So that was those Adam Gary you andseveral people and went to see. TAK TAXING! We don't want O, go to start talkingabout Aranian contension topic yeah. That was a good film Sr. Rit ALRII you like it. Were you asking me an what did youthink of taxting? It was great. I didn't miss a Mana speaking of film festivals. I went to Cenicon in Los Angeles, twenty two thousand and eighteen, thatwas a four day festival. They had at the Egyptian theater on HollywoodBoulevard and this festivalh's been going on for fifty plus years, and itwas awesome, Andrea, went to it as well and they showed a lot of they were Hollywood films, but onesthat hadn't been seen anywhere in fifty years or more, which was very cool. I think that's one of the main things Ireally really really miss, especially living in mole povigis. Just the lackof proper film festival yetuay had a really good, not a goodone, but thas the same on Wey went to it's been getting better and ithappened to land. On the one weekend, the only week in my entire career,wandwthat Haut to work and bellator was actually here. Het was presenting thetwo inwors and was disgusting. It afterwerds and have al so pissed off. Ithink that's probably the biggest autose director we've ever managed toget there. The other thing that I've been to, I went three years in a row.They cancelled it. This year was supposed to be in June again. TheLibrary of Congress Conservation Center is in Virginia and they do a three dayevent called mostly lost and there's about two hundred people inthe audience. A lot of them are in the film business. So it's very interestingand the concept is that they show clips or what they have existing of old silentfilms and try to identify them so...

...people as they're watching the yell outclues from the audience. It's really a fascinating thing, because people have different expertise,therewill be an old car and somebody I'll say: that's Ne Thousand Ninehundred and twenty four budsener or whatever, hopefully, they'll have itagain. Next year they had to cancel this year, of course, because of thepandemic, Youve gone down a pretty interesting,almost academic rout, ther you're interest Bein, I frid to help peoplefind films and label films etcea that its a real is a really interestingthing to do, but t wastot, something you w're always interested in. No, I wouldn't say so. That was thatwas a relatively recent thing. For me, Tom brought up one thing that was alsoreally interesting. We Fas Thad and we started with again this. This fantasticcurb was going to get a lot of people by tissed off, but his tern mainstreamfrash and is getting tired of it, and I think that this idea of lowly becoming like the more films youwatch, the less time and less interest you have for notic Tand, the most ofthe stantar commercial films. I think that's more of Acoman tread and it inthe same with me too, like Im, still watch the biggest recent films and man.ofter will be great, but th type of film iwoul probably have watched threHo w S. fifteen sixty an like that, doesn't really do that. Much for meanymore, and I think that's this thing of tiring of the Tandar conventions tosthat like Thi standand plot thing, this thind that the kind of thiin aboutit doesn't Vealy do anything with the cinematic mediu. If you will you get alittle bit pore of it an want something more. Is that something that everybodyelse feels as well n? We can aywe do about the clam. I don't Av. I've everreally been interested in mainstream trush. A at any point. I think, when Istarted becoming y interested in in in films. I wasn't rually watching muchfilms before so I never really had a face whit. I would just watchmainstream things and then jumped later in my life to more sloweror our autouse films and stuff, like that, you were never so might obey. Inother words, no not really. I think I saw my first Micor basion when I wasabout twenty one, so it was like two three years ago, four years ago. Maybesomething like that S, I guess the most mainstream things that I had seen backthen, where the ARY Potter, films, Flo Lod of the ringe, say I must havewatched them about eight eight years ago, something likethat which actually liked like this. This films yeah overall I've neverreally been movie gird. That would first go tomainstream prums and then evolve toward something watching more store films. Ithink I went strait to the more imdv Tok top two hundred fifty, whichincludes some mainstream films obviousness, but which is less lessMainstreim trush that atual Mans, troom, frush, iwould, say Ilinsing pate US essentially gostraight from not being interested to films to thespatching the most recoginized great films. It is an interesting job. I knowfor me, especially even after I was. I started watching that bit up to fifty,like my main interest, was still you know, baseline baseline narratives, Iwante to see some a film that was quick, Fun Experience N, which probably why I,like a lot of people, spent my first few years as a feeling about watching alot of war. Fielms like a lot of these well made tro short and fast N, notnecessarily crime stories. Most of them are, but just his...

I was farward interested in thenarratives of them or the standard experience of it. The face valueexperience of it and then the more of as Fortin Field Norse to Morewastoworching, classic dramas etce, the more I started to be interested in or even the more. I started to be lessinterested that a be more interest in the type of films that challenge the media in some way, and Iwanted to see something that the main focus was o the tool tatitself at the main focust of the filmmakor walth on the form at least t that that's how I some Istarted moving about medium, that first, it was quick entertainment than it wasfreaky entertainment that was made well, and then it was essentially just beingentertained or being captured by these artists directors. Doing thingsupon interested interesting in the medium haven't actually been watching alot of films, O couple of years. Think Watch so many few years and I kin ofend out a little bit. So then I moved to London kind of the last couple ofyears. I've gone back to oncomes in the CINTAI that wasn't working for a whil.I didn't my accounts know on certain Webpites for no longer active haven'tbeen watching a huge Amont, but I don't know have to dispay, but never tryingto pick films into cinema that still intrest me. I ot I'm not interested Oin the big Dogwesters, but I think ting is still important to watch writtenfilms, our menstry and but h. t are a little bit different from Cobec, an offilms and Iagain a little bit more interestin films, again tantly and aswhen man interest ishave done to like Thenese films, some animated films kindof thing. Really. I don't know why I just lostlot. I've lost quite a lot of interest mast. Couple oer. I think its SIMhappens to most of us to be honest, like I've gone through several dricebells myself and I thim one is possibly coming on now to Mun hesis podcast,really religerates me yeah ye like to be agree with a I think it' just got. Ithink I think it just you want that, have special experience and at somepoints that experience like the matter, what you watch it is Wong happeners Talit more harder and harder to getthe the experience than maybe t sspeciallyjus take like a longer period off, and then it will come back. I think the eone thing Thaom mactally shucked by because I thought this was wereeverybody at Bat, especially when I was back at the TILN Gadrol, which is thatI really taught the journey. Was this terrible, terrible manture trash thaninto more commercial bildle, Bro, Mite, Brow Cinema and then into you know,hydrama, an art house and an experimental Ben Never really landed onthe experimental films. I'm not sure that's going to happen. Maybe that'swhatas going to break me out of this. This current void, maybe I'll certaenly,become of these people, who will love oof reigner and will watching a Stanwreckage films on repeat, but Li e. It hasn't happened yet, and I don't knowwhy, like I always thought thats were all of us ended up if we just watchedenough, so you you're the last one. We hasn't really come through how yourviewing habits and Vieu of cinemahas changed since you first Gok interested,maybe good Runa tread m still pretty much, preferring narrativehes sen at afew of the other mental self and Allai appreciate it more than when I started,don't think it will ever be differet insteat much. I watch a lot more thanuse to a some movies. I would never have wat port wot to wrap things up.Let's just do like final touts and start with Adam Jes. If anything I wantto say is thanks to Chriss organizing all of this, and I don't think wed havedone this any point. You saying it up and doing all the work andediteverything I'm so, hopefully some...

...people in the form wile listen, be somepeople were goying as guests, their fhines Chris I'd like to Join Adam and thanking youChris for putting this together. I really appreciate your enthusiasm. Ithink this is a will. Be a great thing for us and it's really nice to meetclam and Tom some new film friends from around the world. I love gettingtogether like this, so I look forward to the next one. So again, I would liketo Echo Adam angary sentiment, so thank you very much for putting this together.Chriss. It's been great talking to you all and learning about your filmwatching habits and it's quite surprising how much similarities thereare in a ejouney so far, so I'm certainly looking forward to get itgtogether again and exploring some more topics and find out some more abouteveryone. Well, I won't won't be very original,I'm just going to say yeah thanks Chris for organizing this, this podcast thanks to everyone forparticipating. It was a great learning about different journeys and getting to Neggoguys a bit it more and yea very ingpatient to I'm really lookingforward to the next. The next podcast like to echo everyone else and thankchrisfor organizing this. It was fun hope to see you next week, maybe O, essentially everything you've beensaying as well. Thank you so much for joining. This has been great fun asbeen fantastic learning about what everybody likes. Whatever t doesn't and we will be inviting Olther people tocome on and talk with us. We will try to find more more interesting topicsand well also, obviously Getin Ederattis as we go along. I'm sure welearned quite a bit today. Thank you so much for joining and also let me do theOuthro can't you all listening. We have been talking images. The officiallyunofficial podcast of the ICM forum, Twenty Cansin by Craig.

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