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Episode 1 · 2 years ago

How We Got Into Cinema

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In this episode Chris, Clem, Gary, Tom and Sol each talk about their all-time favourite film and try to explain the impact the films had on them.

Welcome to talking images, you officially unofficial podcast of the ICM forum, which, of course, can always be found that Icem Forumcom today's topic is our cinematic journey. What spark the passion for cinema and how do we get where we are today? So let's start with our probably oldest member, taking a bag. Gary. Good morning or good afternoon to you euros. My Name's Gary, or Mars is my screen name on the forum, Gary, old man on Icem. I am what our friend Janis calls dinosaur old, sixty six years old. My Film Journey, really serious interest started in the mid s. So hid. My Name's Tom from England. My form name is film bunther. I'm fit two years of old and basically my film journey really got going and during my years at university, where I spent a lot of time watching films instead of studying, and it carried on from there when I discovered the check movies. For Okay, I'm a yoga from the Netherlands, fifty seven years old and name on the form is Yafeife. Was Pretty late scovering movies, around two thousand and seven. So it's not right team parties. So I sat work we're talking movies and I thought, well, that's interesting, let's do this. I'm Adam, adamage on the forum. I'm fairly to from Scotland and England. I interest really started, I would say, about the name. That's when I was at Uni as well and I started watching top to fifty time to be then, not long after I found I check movies. Hello, my name is Clement, I'm twenty five. I'm from friends. My interest in film started about, would say eight, eight years ago, when I was about sixteen seventeen. It pretty much started because out of boredom, I would say, because I didn't have much to do and I was listening to a lot of music back then. And Yeah, I just started watching films, just curious to see what all the films, let's say, would look like and I enjoy them and I joined the IMDB started working on the top two hundred and fifty. Then I discovered I check movies and the Forum and I've been there at its ever since. I'm Chris. If you ever do come visit the forum, if you're one of the magical people who are not the the form currently, you will see the posting under the name Saint Clote. I am twenty nine years old, originally from Norway but currently residing in Malta, and my cinematic journey started when I was around one thousand five hundred and sixteen. Essentially just started college and got exposed some older films going up. Very curious. That's very, very curious about that, because before that my idea of as like all the films aren't good, and once that spell was broken back actually seeing something that was older than one thousand nine hundred and eighty, everything suddenly started to make sense. So obviously there was a time before we got interested in films. Let's talk a little bit about what our early exposure to film very what we taught about films before we actually viewed it more as an arm former us the hobby, and we can start again with with Garry. Well, my journey to film. It was a long, slow and tortuous one. Let me tell you, this is like old man's yelling at clouds here. When I was young, we had broadcast television or go to the theater. Those were the choices.

I did always love film, and Mother Love Films. My great grandparents and my grandparents owned move early movie theaters. In fact, Chris knows that I actually gave a talk about that at the Library of Congress last year. But my grandparents, I they used to tell me stories about the early days and I remember they told me the talkies ruined the movies. So this was pre VHS or anything. So as far as regular TV it was strictly Hollywood. Fair you know you the best thing you'd see would be hitchcock, Bogart, those type of films. My interest in other movies really started expanding when public broadcasting, thank goodness. This was in the mid s. They showed on Saturday nights. They would show a foreign film or a silent film. So that's where I was first exposed to Bergmann, Fellini, Truffau, and then I found this book called the Great Movies by William Bayer and that really exploded my interest. It was painful because there was no way really for me to see very many of those movies. It took a long time for me to get to that one. One outlet I had was the University of Illinois. Their Student Union showed classic films on weekends and I was able to see some things like citizen cane, the searchers hero, Oshiammona more. It really took a long time for me to get where I wanted. I mean it was it was very expensive if you want to buy a even a vhs. I bought VHS films of like Ladulcha Vita and they were forty dollars or something, and this was in the s. So it was not an easy task. I could actually really not even growing up in the in the n the S, because I remember ninety five, thine, six, nine, seven, ninety eight. No, we didn't tew HS system. We would actually go out and rent dvhs system, you know. So it's as you would go to the VHS rental store, go ahead and get the get them tied, get to get the one vhs or two vhs tape that you actually wanted, and vh has consol, take them out for in a wont two days, Watch them and then take the tired thing back. But even with that, Chris, was a very easy to find classic type films. Or was it mostly mainstream trash? That's what I would make stream fact, mostly mainstream priss. I mean I don't think I would even know the difference at that age. Goo. That's true. Like I remember, like the memories I have our like of the jungle book and good fieldren's movies that pretty much everyone saw on had easy access to. Oh and the Gouverny bears, like every episode the gummy bears for some reason because, like back then, you would this before d vd Box set. So you had like three or four episodes on the vhe s tape, you know, when you could go to the rental store and get that get four episodes at the time. Was that comy bears or care bears? The Guy? I think it's Demini bears, isn't it? In the regionally putting entirely different was called book by Bern. Okay, yeah, it was like the bears that we don't jump about, the fight ORCs. I'd heard of that. I think it's French claim. Might knowe not. Never heard of it. Sorry, I'm not sure. I might completely wrong as well. Well, well, but let's actually look that up and you guys keep poking well, I actually remember the Gomibaz. I used to watch that growing up as well, so you're not alone that, Chris. It was a great show. Maybe it has a different name here, so it probably does. I think. I think almost anyone around the world that grew up in like thetis. Remember this show? Is it Jemmy bears, like Legokendi to completely wrong. It's not French at all. It is actually the full title, which I found on Wikipedia here, is Disney's...

...adventures of the govern bear. So not French at all. Very much, Disney. See Keep Coming, Gary. So thanks. Got Somewhat better in the s when cable TV we had a hundred channels instead of fifty or instead of three. We had Turner Classic Movies, Independent Film Channel, so I was able to find some things with that, but really I wasn't able to really scratch that itch. It's really amazing now to be able to find virtually any film that you want at your fingertips. It's just coming from where I came from is just amazing and I still still not really used to that. I think north so far behind the rest of the world. We had four or five channels, like going into two thousands if we were getting Swedish TV. That's how poor the situation were. The of actually exactly the same same way of finding classics, especially Classic Forum Fields, because the stage channel did the same thing as, I guess your stage channel, that which was once a week. I don't remember what day. It was in the more than once a week they would throw one classic m just one. I think it was like Friday evening. For a long time that was only way. It was either that or actually buying the DVD's, a VHS or going to the library. But I can talk a little bit more about the fantastic libraries, nor a real a little bit later. Continue with the went tom here. So before you got properly into sin them, I like what was your exposure to say the man. What were you thinking about that? Like? How did you view films before it? became a film buff who I always loved films from a very early age. I've got two older brothers, one seven years old of them in, one ten years older than me, so a lot of the things that I watch when I was younger were perhaps not suitable for my age necessarily. I remember one thing that sticks out in my mind is we used to watch Indiana, Jones and the last crusade quite a lot and I wasn't allowed to watch a certain clip towards the end when a Nazi soldier drinks from a cup that he believes to be the holy grail and then tint into a skeleton. My parents or that that was too upsetting for me to view. And also, stand by me was one that I used to love when I was young. And again, the bit where kids discover the body. I wasn't allowed to see that at first, and I think that these probably justified parental bands and not letting me see the full films kind of shape my viewing habits because I had an interest in wasn't deemed suitable for my eyes. From then on and that kind of expanded into my interest in extreme cinema. Films that have been banned would been controversial. On they stopping from seeing the end of the filthy with this attendee of the room, or yet so the their diver stop the tape or get me out of the room. I was very young at this, you know, maybe like for five years old. So I don't think at the time, out you know, I was too concerned with it. It was just something that, you know, took place every now and again and I don't think that it was something that was done a lot. It's just those two films specifically that stand out in my mind and I suppose from there I went on to watching films round my friend's house, is so staying up late on sleepovers, would watch things like kids and a clockwork orange. That became one of my favorite films and still is to this day, and it kind of yet developed from there. I was kind of interested to hear this everyone else is starting point revolve around the IMDB top to fifty, because that was quite a corner stone of my early viewing as well. And another interesting thing was that one of the lists on I check movies the Guardian One thousand and one films to see before you die. That list is taken from the newspaper that my dad used to buy and and for a time I was actively working on that list before I check movies...

...even existed, just going through the inserts and taking them off manually, and I do still actually have those inserts. I think that I think moviescom essentially the finalize all of over, doing already which word to find this and try to complete them. What what I actually used to do was to find a version of it online, copy all of it. The Bo did it do a world document, so nothing that spread that fimes enough a specially, but the road document, and then I would either remove the title or make title really small. So then't know what I've ever seen it and then the other titles will be be and if I really wanted to see a film, I would maybe put it like into like a sixteen or twenty pixels so I can make it bigger than what in the standout. I would remember it for a later notice. I didn't watch a lot of TV growing up. Drum really remember my parents being TV watchers either, so I guess we were more the type of person to read. So I was reading lots when I was when I was younger, I guess I would watch a beat of TV UN there and watch some cartoons and stuff like that, but my parents were not not into films at all. So I don't have any memories of me sitting with my parents or sitting with friends or whatever watching films. So I guess it's something that really came to me by itself, let's say you, not with the help of someone, someone close to me. So I started getting into films and I was about fifteen, sixteen, as I said before. Before that I was listening to a lot of music mostly. I was also living abroad like then. I was living in Cyprus from twelve years old to eighteen. I was in a French school, but we only add classes on the morning and the afternoon. Most of the afternoons would be free. So I had a lot of times on time on my ends and since I don't really liked going out back then, I would just stay home listen to music and it just reached a point where I wanted I was starting to get curious about other things and yeah, I want to. I was also watching bits of films here and they're mostly like a French comedies from them and stuff like that. I guess I just wanted to see if they were something else, something beyond that. So I found about IMDB. I joined. First I only joined to rate, rate the films I've seen, just to just to remember. I also had a straight excel sheet back then where I was enter all the films I've seen, my ratings and we'd have some kind of statistics with decades here, country and stuff like that, which I still still do today. Then I started looking at the IMDB up to two hundred and fifty, like pretty much I think here a lot of people here. I started by the earliest films, so I guess was a Shawn Shank redemption. What are Indiana Jones back to the futures, stuff like that, which I had never seen before. Then I got into the older stuff, so the Godfather, twelve angry men, citizen Kane, Seventh Samurai, stuff like that, and then I found out about I check movies and I really like the idea of list and working through through them, finding suggestions and also completing them sometimes. So I joined the website. I started working on well, I didn't really started working on the list back then. I was just really into or films.

So I would watch with a lot of them anything that anything that I could find. It's actually when I joined the forum and started posting in March two thousand and twelve that I really started, for seen on certain lists through challenges, mostly, so the form our holding. And Yeah, I think that. I think that's about it. There was a kid. Going to the cinema was special occasion, only on birthdays or maybe for Christ most of the FOO films I've seen was on TV. It really on. There was only one channel and they had feas for kids on Wednesday. On Saturday it did show some other movies. Then said my mother liked Gregory back, so those movies I want. And he also was very elaborate musical father wasn't interested in movies at all. He went watch a movie. After about ten minutes he would leap size. Mentioned earlier. I got into the DB to fifty and guys at works we were working on it and talking about it and I think they have finished it, but I did and right about when I was close to finishing I encounter it. I check movies that thought, Hey, more lists to and I finished this list that everyone else also do, the cartoon list, and I worked on some lists for a while, but I stopped working on lists and just pick some here and there and like exploring kinds of stuff. I grew up like borne a seven, I kind of I got up with like eight is a nice film. So when I was a kid I always watched on TV. I I remember Indiana Jones, back to the future, the Terminator. You know, my mom used to take me to the cinema sometimes. She always tells a story when she took me to Jurassic Park, but that I must have been about for six years old. I know like when she bought the tickets, some was like read that I was going to be hard. I don't actually remember seeing it as the first time I remember seeing as a lion king. I end up seeing that. Why the cinema, and that was always one of my favorites. He used to me and my sister used to go to video rental stores. There was in the N s. There was a two. We had two shops in the same street. That's how popular it was back then to runt and mean. They were across the road from each other and I used to always get supermario brothers and I'mated TV show, which I remember my sister I was always very annoyed about because the exact same video every time. Then going up. It was basically my sister actually, who was as a three, three four years older than me and she was the one who was really interested in films. For me, I remember going but with my dad and my sister to see crotching tiger, hit and dragon. I would have been about twelve. Remember my dad and I fell asleep but ten minutes. Oh, I wasn't instantly in that kind of yeah, as I got towards the end of Uni, your uni, that's when I started watching top to fifteen. Remember what sparked the interest? I think I had a lot of free time in the family year uniu because I only had a couple of hours of electrics a week. Yeah, that was B preason right. TWASON and nine I started working on that. And List website. I can't remember. There's this website where you could check like it was like I checked movies, except the only list that had was a top to fifteen, just ticked off the list basically. But this was I back in twoson and nine then and I want eventually I wanted a better say, and that's so interesting. And nine I found check movies because there was a whole group of us who used to post on the...

...facebook group, the top to fifty group, and that's kind of what started roots of the forum. Also remember a sister was the one who was really interested. I remember as a kid my mom used to watch a lot of order films as well. Been Waking a crime one, so I remember watching the birds, for example. She watched some hitchcock films. I have like vague recollections of watching order films. College TV, by the way, are you? Are you guys consistently showing all their films or is that the doesn't new stuff? And when I was growing up I only had four channels until how I was in high school we just had four can and sure the lot exceven is, it's nine is. That was all the stuff I watched. But then once we got to high school we got more channel. There was a classic film channels, that kind of thing, but didn't have any interest, that much interest in order films are as a kids. I'm not sure, man, it is showed. It wasn't, probably not a lot. I mean it was only four channels, so that was it was very few options and to watch stuff. I didn't have the Internet and I've computer high school eiver it for almost everyone. So I howlt it for like, for you claim in France, did you guys have three four channels as well, or did you actually have a little bit of a better selection? We had more channel than than that, but, as I said before, I don't. I have never really been a TV watcher and my parents were not pretty either. So yeah, sometimes they would show films, but we would not really watch them or anything. But if you go only on the public channels, yeah, you you'd find mostly some blockbusters here and there sometimes. Yeah, yeah, so sometimes you can sign some older films that it's usually during the night or very early in the morning, so you have to actually record them unless you want to watch it at three or four. Ama. I was actually always around films a lot because this little bit strange as we had to rent the VAT has consul when I was very, very young with my dad, like just before I was four on. He was a coowner of like a small VHS rental store which went bust. So he actually had a large amount of VHS tapes in the basement which I which I didn't see into a lot later, and we started and started going through when I was a little bit older and got interested. But they were around and he would take some of those up, like the ones ever chall friendly. I mean we watched those. We would consistently go to VHS rental stores and we are just shops and fine, like a movie for the weekend, etc. So I was always around films, but not in any kind of serious way, like I was coming to the opposite of Clem in that I watched a lot of TV before I got into movies. I was really into TV shows. I would get nothing if I we get to be a jested for it, but a students DVD's came out, I would get like the day early dvd box sets, etc. And at some point I think I just started tiring a little bit of shows. I didn't really find them that challenging necessarily. Didn't really feel like just casually sitting back and watching TV, for instance. I want and something a little bit more concise, something that I'm not sure if I think. What I thought was something that mattered a little bit more, something that gave a bit more of an experience. So I thought instead of sitting and watching TV, say two three hours in an evening, in a random evening, I could watch a movie instead, or two movies instead. So I would start to try to find some movies to watch. In the beginning that wasn't really any kind of auticle special movies. It would be what Gary Vert earlier as mainstream trash, the terrible, terrible collection of films that test aren't good. They just know the terrible, the terrible. How could anyone ever watch such things? But but yes, I start slowly watching them...

...and if it we just essentially get anything that was on. I would pick film space in their covers and said are just watch for the other was but in front of me, and that led to watching a lot of things that just weren't really interesting. And obviously, if you watch a lot of things that aren't very interesting, the next the next thought that comes into my this what is interesting. And that's when I discovered I AMDB and the I only be top two fifty, and that that seems to be like the line between almost all of us, including Gary, except that his passion started a bit earlier. But for the rest of us really seems like it really seems like just discovering I in the B and I meet of the s what's for almost every one of our generation kick this off. In the beginning I was doing the same as many of you, which was that I would ignore the older stuff, but I would kind of like see, okay, these are the big new movies that are on that list. Let's see them, and that worked out really, really well. I started getting more and more interested, I started seeing more and more stuff, was more varied films, but I still had this extreme preptunice against all their films, and I'm not sure if kind of anyone else there had that, but at least was very common in Norway to just assumed that anything older wasn't any good. Was that your experience as well? When I was younger. Yes, yeah, I think, of course. Well, I didn't really knew when film started easier, so I just of course I knew. I knew about the Nouvelle vague and stuff like that, but I didn't really and I knew about silent films and stuff, but I never really bothered watching them because, you know, for me they were outdated, let's say, and they didn't show any purpose because, you know, what was made a hundred years ago was obviously worse and what wasn't being made today. So, yeah, that was a way I thought back then. Now, yeah, my feelings evolved the bits, let's say. But yeah, at the beginning I was really mostly focusing on recent films and kind of ignoring the older stuff. But when I started at color fact, well, actually it's a different it was expressive the end of like second their school, which is that they put all on Amadeus and this was essentially would roll in one of those big hardback TV's, know, those massive monsters, and my first reaction that this is actually really interesting, because this is what sparked almost meant tire cinematic during in a way, because I saw it at this specific point. I didn't like it. I'm not sure if I engaged with particular way. I guess I was like fourteen, fifteen and I had think I had just joined im the bet so I had seen it on some top lists and I remember, after seeing this film, not likeing it. I went to these forums and back when I in the B forums it exist, I think, these and I was essentially just started arguing with people on the Amadeus form that this movie is so terrible. Why do anybody like this? And then, like two years later, when they enter college, I went to media and communication and they had a proper allatorium and they started amadeus again in cinema. Think this was one of the first films they did there. Sat Down, I came in it really low expectations that came in with are all of these memories of not caring for Amadeus. But in the meantime I'd also been watching a lot of the stuff from that meet up to fifty and had built up slightly more interesting films. So I don't know what had changed in those two years, like what a change with me would sage...

...with my interest, but I loved it. It instantly became a part of mine. At that time top ten and it started a kind of strange thought process in my head that I had been completely wrong about this movie. I hadn't seeing it ly from my perspective, and completely wrong about this movie. I've been seeing it from a very specific perspective and didn't know why. But I didn't know that what I used to think was a bad film was now a good film, and that's started to make me interest in the rest of they and be top the fifty. And it is actually a thanks to meet, the media, communication education in a way, that I've really started to give all the films second chance, because they put on like Monty Python and they put a sister in Kain. They put on several of these classic films and I don't remember which one I saw at home personally which one I didn't, but I quickly learned that, Huh, I believe that films that weren't made, say, before they these, were particularly good. Clearly films made in the s are good. Why wouldn't films from the S of s or dirties be any good? And thought I had my mend was okay. When did I become good? When? So I started going again to theme with of the fifty and getting a few of these films. I think I started with Casavanka. I saw it and I loved it, and I started going through most of the mainstream classic films, like, I guess it would more of the mainstream Canon, like Frankenstein, etc. And that that time too, and I think that just a classic acting it actually appealed to me in a way very similar to the way treaty movies appeal to a lot of people. At least appealed to a lot of people like a few years later, because that, wow, this is a completely different experience. I haven't seen anything like this before. It was kind of like this semi surreal experience of something different and it has got be really excited about Turkish movies, for the movies, etc. And for decent amount of time there I would try to record any film from that period, no matter like at the point it didn't even really care about ratings, right, and to be a stercentially, just try to record anything on TV that was older than say, forty, fifty years or or thirty four years recorded and watch it. There's there's some curating going on as well, obviously for a TV Chann like why would the TV channel in the country with at that point probably five six TV channels, put on something that wasn't particularly liked, but that was my early edification. It is essentially just recording anything that was slightly older and then very soon anything that had a slightly high rating on my MDB, and then I developed a very serious film addication. I think we're more catched up to the same point. We've gotten to the point that we discovered I amdb. We thought I am may be talked to if them started working on it. That seems to be the point. Yeah, and that seems to be kind of like a merger point for all of us, and I think it's almost even the same time. Like I probably start working on it back in two thousand and six. It was choosing two thousand and eleven. I think for me, I think it's interesting just the different paths that everyone has taken to get to this point. Myself, I used to be on the rotten tomatoes forum. This was in the late odds and that was just a fantastic grease wors to talk about films and somebody randomly in a topic mentioned I seem I thought all that sounds...

...cool, so I went over and joined it and in a lot of ways that's really changed my life and I think Chris and Adam know a lot about about that. I mean interesting just hearing everybody's different perspective. Is there still a rotten to make a forum now? Because I've never heard of it now. For some reason, the wise people that rotten tomatoes basically did away with the form. This was maybe two thousand and ten or so, which was really a shame. There's a sort of an offshoot of it that some of those people have and I forget what it's called right now. I visited occasionally, but it was never the same after that. Well, I think that could even be a good topic for a later for later podcast. Is Death and destructions of all forums around the world, essentially much sets and forums over the past years, maybe because that's like that's where most of my interest film also as well. It wasn't just the IMDB top to fifty, it was the IMDB message boards for me. So I joined when you join and they be at that point they were, if this, massive collections of message boards and they were probably among the most active message boards in the world at the biggest one being film general, and there was also classic movies and just so, so many others. That's where, you know, I started see getting recommendation, start to get to know these other people. Some of them act, a lot of them are members of the ICM forum now as well. This is like these are the people who push me further than I in the beat up to fifty. I think that's I think there's a point when you're how do you put this? I think there's the it is a point when you've been watching the bit of the fifteen is still crave more. You want either you finish it or you finish most of it, or I finish the stuff that's interesting to you, but you want something else, you want to explore. Let's say. They can and a little bit further, and for me that is perten started with film General Day in the beforeum, where this met all these people, ever, so much more knowledgeable than me, of the people who are sharing their lists consistently, many of which I would copy down and keeping my wordoxs, as I mentioned earlier, and I will just start exploring learning about them. And that's also how I learned about the Shu Pictures. Don't think that's how I learned about that website. And started to work on that list as well. I think that's also a relatively calm and step. Did you guys go the same route of essentially just going from the I bit up to fifty two, they should pictures, or whether other steps are a completely different path? Mon less, I went from the M I amdbeat up to fifty to the one thousand and one movies you must see before you die first, then I went to the shuit pictures, don't they as well, which I've never completed. I'm still working, working on this too. To this, Daniel, I'm just taking my time and I don't want to Binge Watch everything, everything in it. I want to take time to appreciate, let's say, every stream series there is in it. I I've never really looked at the forums and iron DB, you can't now they're gone. Yeah, I know, I know. I think it was big back then because my English was not good enough for me to to speak in English, so I couldn't join the Forum where people would obviously speak a language I'm not familiar with. And Yeah, actually I found out about I check movies forum very early on and I just thought it was a good place for me to stay. So I just stayed there and never really took them, never...

...really took time to check out the IMDB's film general and classic movies, even though I stumbled up on the list that were made by this board some from time to time, and they're interesting, good lists. So it's a shame that I think that this forms are gone because it's in that there were a lot of quality produced like the I thing port about that if I'm not sure if there's a majority, but closer to half of the members, the active members of board film general and the classic movies, went to Icam as as it closed, because we had this amount of the way with informed us the forms will be closed. Perception and myself and a few others of the active of the people who were act of a asm forum and young general, we just messagings and the everything a person in their friends saying like hey, this can be your new hole, and I think angel runs the doubling the cannon prodetect you took if he used to be at the Classic Board. Like that's very good. Is the originally was born, so he brought with him a masive amount of those people do. When I completed the IMDB top two fifty, I think some me similar to yourself, Chris. I started exploring the IMDB forums and I think I was more of a Lak at this point. I didn't really post, but I used to enjoy reading what everyone had to say, their film recommendations, and I used to frequent the horror boards because at this point my passion for horror had really developed. I rarely found films that scared me, so I was always looking out for something that could, and I feel that any film that scares me is, you know, pretty impressive because I've seen so much harder that. I I love being able to still find that kick from films occasionally, and the IMDB horror boards really helped with that. And then from then on I moved over to I check movies. I can't remember exactly how I stumbled upon it and bought once I was on there, it was the most favorite list. That really stuck out to me. I watched a few films and there were high on that, I think. Letting ever, cent which one of the first a selected. I'd never even heard of it, but I found it available on Youtube and it kind of blew me away. I was obviously impressed with the IMDB top to fifty, but I felt like I'd surpassed that and found another level of films that would, you know, just as brilliant, if not more, surpassed the you get that point we start saying and the film, but whatever you want to call it. But you know, we're all passionate about films and it's it's great that we share this passion and it's so fascinating to learn that we've kind of, you know, followed it a similar path with, as we say, the top to fifty and IMDB being somewhat of a gateway drug and then by then the addiction is just kicked in and we need more brilliant films and where we're going to find them, and that's kind of where I checked. Movies came in Um little bit different that I don't follow any lists anymore. The movies the other choose are either totally random or often recommendations on the forum. Somebody is raving about ever, I think, well, maybe that's something I could check out. And other thing that I often do. It's we have rish also for Pole, look at all the screenshots and some pop out and remember, once I've finished the top two fifty, really set...

...up facebook group for I check movies and then there was various other groups. So the first thing I remember moving on to the top days and to beat top fifty sec for the decades, a lot of the order decides not order films were in the top to fifty. So I start watching all of them. Eventually I am to be a completed for A. Yeah, that's when I first was on. I take movies once. Yeah, that was my that was my big interest and I also remember working through the these lists became a big interests once the forum started. Can a lot of my stuff I watched, you know, through forum lists or recommendations on there. So that was a very good there's a good way to find their films. Eventually. Yeah, eventually I just working on lists and randomly chose films and what I was in the mid for similar to me as well. I think my pact was more are about eventually breaking away from mind the beat, because was still a few years until, I seem was sup was to be created. So if I look, for how many of you frequent the film general forums, but they were pretty much infestive beat rolls and they were consistently kind of see the same topics over and over and over again are people who weren't really that interesting films overre asking very basic questions. So the core user base ended up creating a forum that was separate from I'm the be we called it film general to fg two, and then eventually it was an fg treat and essentially recreated a community of people who had a much, much, greatter interesting films and was much easier to find recommendations. You would start to form plightly better relationships with these people as well, so you would know, okay, this person has similar interest to me. Is wight more, I can quickly realize that if they like a film, I'm in most likely like the film as well. And I get this was before, I seem, so we didn't really have lists to to help us with. So that was, sounds, a really good experience as well. And then at one point somebody is message. I don't remember who it was, antormary force, the thread or a private message, but they told me about I shake movies. I went there, I saw that I could check films on lace and I with remember what that seen. So I joined and that's more or less how I found it. Like I was just a regular standard member. I was not part of this top fifty group. That Addam, Gary and maybe okay was preparttras. I was just using, using, as I checked movies until I got that one message, that one internal message from from the owners informed me that it was now and and officially unofficial facebook group. Wasn't part of that groupered away. What did you say? Okay, wasn't part of that group, by the way, acause you had the same experience of me and you joined iake movies and then you got that email to I didn't even get the email because the top hundred under two whatever. Read about a forum where I also don't remimber, but I didn't get the year. There was a period where I must have had a lot of free time, because I remember inviting like the top five hundred users to the farm and I thought you were on the facebook group as well for some reason. But now that sought this. Before there was a form, there was facebook group, and that group essentially withered away and Adam and Laura decided to create the ICM forum, the officially unofficial forum of I shake Moviescom, which is the Formin know and love today, which was...

...the guts around two thousand and ten right, because this is the ten year anniversary. No, the forum was was eleven. Next year's at ten year end. Group started, I think in two thousand and ten. I know I enjoy and the ICEM in two thousand and nine, but there I guess the facebook might have started into thousand time. I'm been visiban. Nine. Actually there's a lot of yeah, like guy says, maybe that's for another day because there's a lot of drama, and it's exactly. But that's that. Several podcasts and several best taken up with seven I were exciting. So I think it's at this point we covered more or less how we got into the films, how we got hooked and how that more or less developed. Let's talk a little bit about where we are today, or rather what's different now from when you were first getting into movement or like the first few years of yours in the Philia, and we can start with Gary again. Well, I have watched a lot of movies. I think I have pretty much exhausted the cannon. So these days I watch for pleasure primarily. I do follow some list just just for fun. I completed the big more list. There's additions every month or so. I just keep up with that. been working on the zombies list lately. Just I'm stuck at home, not thing to do, so just watching films that don't require a lot of a lot of brain power is as fit in with my mood lately. But I watched. I watched pretty much everything, mainstream trash, whatever. Now, I mean it's been crashed. What do you mean? I'm sorry when you say mainstream trash? What do you mean? Oh well, now the theaters are closed right now. But my wife and I had the subscription to the movie theaters were you could see three three movies a week if you wanted to, and so we were watching pretty much everything new that came out, not necessarily everything that we were particularly interested in, but it was a way to pass the time and something to do with bad boys for life and downhill. I mean, you know all this recent stuff that's been coming out. So Tom How do you, how do you think that you're interesting film has changed from first is going all these lists? Well, I think that it's changed quite dramatically from what I used to be interested in. As Guy pointed out, mainstream trash is kind of the way that most people get into cinema. So I used to love all that, you know, loud explosions and stuff like that, but now I see my taste shifting towards more kind of foreign and Art House Cinema. Just try and get a you know, a different kick from the films that I watch, something that entertains me but also, you know, simulates me, something that's fought provoking and you know, it's something that resonates on a deeper level. Part of this was passion. was helped with a volunteer position I took up with a local film feater a few years back, which was an art house in Independent Art House cinema. I used to love volunteering there because I'd literally just have to spend about thirty minutes selling tickets to everyone and then got to go into the film for free. There...

...was just the one auditorium and that had to be one person in there as the the fire warden, so to speak, so I always offered for that. I was happy to stay after selling the tickets to watch the film. They would often put on q and a sessions with people involved in films. So there was a great Kubic season at one point and there was a man called John Jordan who was the sound editor on clock or clockwork orange and he got to introduce the film and things like that, where there's more discussion involved around the film, really helped to kind of expand my a knowledge and interest of films. So it's it's a that was great fun, but unfortunately when I relocated had to give that up. I also attend a film festival every year called Grim Fest, a Great Horror Film Festival in Manchester, and that's about four or five days of just sitting in a dark room watching six or seven horror films to day, and that to me is pure having I don't know if anyone else in the group has been to film festivals, but I would love to travel and potentially do some more abroad at some point. It's been to the Berlin Film Festival once and that was pretty nice. If especially like it when the original Creator is present answer questions, of course, with some of US technically went to a film festival together. Remember back in two thousand and fifteen when you came or to visit me. That was those Adam Gary, you and are all of people who and went to the Tuck Taxti. We don't want to guard to start talking about or any contentions topic that that was a good film for sure. Guy. All right, did you like it? Were you asking me? And what did you think of taxing? I was great. I didn't miss a minor speaking of film festivals, I went to Cinecon in Los Angeles two thousand and two thousand and eighteen. That was a for day festival. They had it at the Egyptian theater on Hollywood Boulevard and this festival's been going on for fifty plus years and it was awesome. Andrea went to it as well and they showed a lot of they were Hollywood films, but ones that hadn't been seen anywhere in fifty years or more, which was very cool. I think that's one of the main things I really, really, really miss, especially leaving in Malta, which is just the lack of proper film festival. We actually had a really good not a good one, but the same. We went through. It's been getting better and it happened to land on the one weekend, the only week in my entire are ever, and that had to work and Bella Tower was actually here. You molest presenting the turn worse and was discussing it afterwards and have also pissed off. I think that's probably the biggest art house director we've ever managed to get there. The other thing that I've been to I went three years in a row. They canceled it this year was supposed to be in June again. The Library of Congress Conservation Center is in Virginia and they do a three day even called mostly lost and there's about two hundred people in the audience. A lot of them are in the film business, so it's very interesting and the concept is that they show clips or what they have existing of old silent films and try to identify them. So people as there watching,...

...they yell out clues from the audience. It's really a fascinating thing because people have different expertise. There will be an old car and somebody I'll say that's a one thousand nine hundred and twenty four Hudson or whatever. Hopefully the have it again next year. They had to cancel this year, of course, because of the pandemic. You goun down a pretty interesting almost academic group there. You're interested. been tried to help people find films and label films at that. That's it's a real it's really interesting thing to do, but also something you're always interested in. No, I wouldn't say so. That was a that was a relatively recent thing for me. Palm brought up one thing that was also really interesting. We feel start and we started with again. This is fantastic, cards going to get a lot of people quite passed off. But his turn mainstream crash and just getting tired of it. And I think that this idea of slowly becoming like the more films you watch, the less time and less interest you have. For not the stand most of this. That their commercial films. I think that's more of a comment read and it's the same with me too, like I will still watch the biggest recent films and many of them will be great, but the type of film I would probably have worked when I was fifteen and sixteen like it doesn't really do that much for me anymore. I think that's this thing of tiring of the standard conventions. This that like the standard plot thing. That the kind of the kind of cinema that doesn't really do anything with the cinematic medium. If you will, you get a little bit more of it. They want something more. Is that something that everybody else feels as well? And we can take it. You about the clan. I don't think have ever really been interested in mainstream thrush as at any point. I think when I started becoming interested in in in films, I wasn't really watching much films before, so I never really had a faith what. I would just watch mainstream things and then jumped later in my life to more slower or our art house films, stuff like that. You will never saw Michael Bay, in other words, no, not really now. I think I saw my first Michael based film when I was about twenty one, so it was like two three years ago, four years ago, maybe something like that. I guess. The most mainstream things that I had seen back then where the Eric Potter films. Look, Lord of the ring same, I must have watched them about day eighty years ago, something like that, which I actually liked. Like this. The films. Yeah, all theall. I've never really been movie goer that would first go to mainstream films and then evolve towards something watching more store films. I think I went straight to the more IMDB took top two hundred and fifty, which include some mainstream films obviously, but which is less less mainstream thrush that actual mainstream rush. I would say we didn't think back to this. Essentially, go straight from not being interested to films to just watching the most recognized great films is an interesting job, I know for me, especially even after I was started watching the bit of the fifty like, my main interest was still, you know, baseline, baseline narratives. I wanted to see some I film. That was quite fun experiences, which probably why I, like a lot of people, were spent my first few years as a film above watching a lot of war films, like a lot of these wellmade, cruel, short and fast, not necessarily crime stories, most of them are, but just these. I was far more interested in the narratives of...

...them or the standard experience of it, the face value experience of it. And then the more I was watching field noise, the more I was watching classic dramas, etc. The more I started to be interested in, or even the more I started to be less interested than to be more interested in, the type of films that challenge the medium in some way and I wanted to see something that the main focus was on the tool set itself, like the main focused of the filmmaker, whist on the form at least that that's how I that's how I started moving about the medium. That first it was quick entertainment and it was quick entertainment that was made well, and then it was essentially just being entertained or being captured by these artists directors doing things I found interested interesting in the medium. I haven't actually been watching a lot of films a couple of years. Think Watch so many few years and I can a little bit. So I moved to London. Can of the last couple of years I've gone back to some films in the cinema. Laptop wasn't working for a while, I didn't my account on certain websites for no longer active. I haven't been watching a huge amount, but I don't know how to describe but trying to pick films in the cinema that still interest me. I'm not interested in the big podquesters, but I think think is still important to watch written films are menstream but are a little bit different from and cope kind of films and I am again a little bit more interesting films again instantly and as when man interests, we've done to like the news films, some animated films, kind of thing. Really, I don't know why. I just lost a lot. I've lost quite a lot of interest most company. I think the same happens to most of us, to be honest. Like I've gone through several dries wells myself and I think one is possibly coming on. I'll do ness. This podcast really realigorates me. Yeah, yeah, like not to to be agree with such. I think it's just goes. I think. I think it's just you want that kind of special experience. At some points that experience like the matter what you watch it, it won't happened as attle bit more harder and harder to get that experience. Then maybe it's best to just take like a longer period off and then it will come back. I think the one thing that I'm actually shocked by, because I thought this was where everybody had bob, especially when I was back at the thing general, which is that I really taught the journey was this terrible, terrible mainstream trash, then into more commercial, Middle Brow, little brow cinema, and then into you know, high drama, then art house and then experimental, but never really landed on the experimental films. I'm not sure if that's going to happen maybe that's what's going to break me out of this discurrent void. Maybe I'll suddenly become of these people who will love Arnold Rainer and will your things that record films on repeat. But like it hasn't happened yet and I don't know why. Like I always thought that's where all of us ended up if we just watched enough. So you're you're the last one hasn't really gone through how your viewing habits, and you will find them, has changed since you first got interested. Maybe a good run, a stript still pretty much preferring narrative fees. Seeing at a few of the other mental stuff and I'll I appreciate it more than when I started. Don't think it will ever be cofferent. Instead much I watch a lot more than used to. Some movies I would never have worked for. I want to wrap things up. Let's just do like final thoughts and start with Adam. It's the final thing I want to say is thanks to Chris Organizing all this, and I don't think we'd have done this any point. You sang it up and doing all the work and editing everything. I'm so hopefully some people in the form will...

...listen. We some people were joining as guests. The thanks Chris. I'd like to Join Adam and thanking you, Chris, for putting this together. I really appreciate your enthusiasm. I think this is a will be a great thing for us and it's really nice to meet Clem and Tom some new film friends from around the world. I'd love getting together like this, so I look forward to the next one. So again, I would like to Echo Adam and Gary sentiments. Thank you very much for putting this together a Christ it's been great talking to you all and learning about your film watching habits, and it's quite surprising how much similarities there are in a journey so far. So I'm certainly looking forward to getting together again and exploring some more topics and find out some more about everyone. Well, I won't, won't be very original. I'm just going to say thanks Chris for organizing this, this podcast. Thanks to everyone for participating. It was a great learning about different journeys and getting to new guys a bit. It's more and yeah, very inpatient to I'm really looking forward to the next the next podcast. Like to echo everyone else and thank Chris for organizing this. It was fun. Hope to see you next week, maybe go essentially everything you've been saying as well. Thank you so much for joining. This has been great fun. It's been fantastic learning about what their very like, for there are doesn't and we will be in writing other people to come on and talk with us. We will try to find more were interesting topics and we will also obviously getting better at this as we go along. I'm sure we'll learn quite a bit today. Thank you so much for joining and also let me do the outrow. Thank you all for listening. We have been talking images the officially unofficial podcast of the ICM forum. During it against you three.

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