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Episode 14 · 1 year ago

Film Purism: How Extreme Are You

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Are you a film purist?

And if so, are you an extremist?

In this episode Sol jumps into the host's chair to see just how many of film purist Tom's buttons he can push before he breaks. Co-hosts Adam and Lauren join in for this gut-wrenching human drama of perfect cinema conditions and absolute respect for the artists vs. workouts, cleaning, internet browsing, eating and watching films on 1.5x speed - on your smartphone.

The way that we consume movies has a changed a lot over the past 125 years. It is now possible to pause a film while watching it, watch a film the kitchen while doing the dishes and even eat an entire meal while watching a movie. While this would have seen but a dream back in the silent era, watching a film without being totally focused on it is a growing reality in the world of today. But is that the best and most enjoyable way to watch a film?

Some of the pivotal blasphemies may include:

  • Eating
  • Pausing
  • Exercising
  • Doing chores
  • Browsing
  • Watching a film in parts over several days
  • Watching films while on public transport
  • Watching films on your phone
  • Watching films with a different frame rate, like 1.5x speed
  • Anything that does not replicate exact cinema conditions

Please head over to ICMForum.com to let us know!

You are listening to talking images, the official podcast of ICM Forumcom Welcome, I am your host soul. Today we have a topic that all film buffs can relate to. Film purism. It is and you watch a film. Is that all that you do? Do you always watch a film in one go? Fishing pictures have come a long way since the LOOMI are brothers terrified audiences with arrival of the train nearly a hundred and twenty five years ago. Over that period, we have seen the invention of color processing and recording, D wide screen lensing and CGI, just to name a few of the biggest changes that cinema has undergone. As films have evolved, way we watch them has evolved to once something only shown in carnivals or in cinema theaters. Comes became available via television in the mid twenty centuries, available on home video in the late s available for legal streaming and downloading with an Internet connection this century. Please changes this. Perhaps not surprising that the way we consume films has changed over time, and yet there are still some out there dedicated to the ways of the past. Popular School of thought, which we are calling film purism, for the purposes of this podcast just that all films should be watched as close to cinema conditions as possible. Is this really practical, though? Does this really help you to appreciate a film or and purists argue that copying cinema conditions is respect to the filmmakers and artists involved. But with the rise of Netflix, people streaming and high definition home video through BLU ray, filmmakers still expect their films to be watched under such conditions, and this episode we will explore such conundrums and try and work out with a film purism is really something worth striving for. Today I am joined by three wonderful co hosts. I'm Lauren and Adam. Thing with Tom, would you like to introduce yourself and explain where you sit on the film purism spectrum? Come here from England. Film tourism is a topic that it's really quite close to my heart, as I'm a huge passionate film fan and like to make sure that whenever I watch a film and is in the conditions that will give me the best opportunity to take the most after the film. So, whereas I can't always be in the cinema, which would be the dream, every time I watch a film, I love to be in the cinema for it. Try and replicate those conditions is closely as possible in my own home so that I can get the most out of my view and experienced. Urigner tonally, I like to be in the perfect sort of mode for watching films, so that it's my main focus, but maybe not to such an extreme. But I also for me, like the cinema isn't the ideal place for me to watch a film. It's at home, and I grew up mostly watching films at home. So I think that maybe a reason why the way I watch a film is not to replicate the cinematic experience necessarily. And finally, Adam, can you tell us where you sit on the film purism spectrum? I mean, I think I prefer to watch films at the cinema, but when I do watch them at home, because I'm normally watching them on my laptop, I tend to you know, I do positive films, I do other stuff sometimes in the background. I think I do a lot of things that Tom would probably stand against, but we'll see what he thinks. Throught this episode. Like foreign I grew up watching films mainly at home. So I've never felt the need to replicate amant when watching a film and just like Adam, I probably do a lot of things that would make I'm not really stop in horror and gasp in horror at what I do. But that's the whole idea of this podcast to try and work out while different takes on watching films alike, because it all very passionate about cinema by the way we watch it, there is quite a bit. I'm going to try and start with my first question, and my first question is how often I could be once a day, once a week, once a month. Never often do you watch a film in more than one at go. I'm what's your take? I very rarely watch a film in more than one go and love watching the film in a single sitting, which isn't always possible. But when I'm putting on a film in an evening, if it's a long film, I'll sometimes kind of gage how tired I am and w whether I'm going to make it through the whole film.

If I don't think that I'll be able to stay awake and stay focused for the two hours the film, I won't start watching it and then finish it the next day I'll just do something else because I like to be completely in the zone and focus so I can get the most out of the film. The very rare occasions when I will watch a film in more than one sit will be if it's an incredibly long film or if it's a film that I'm watching someone else who perhaps having got the same viewpoint as me. So recently watching a few Stanley Kubic film. So if my girlfriend, and luckily enough cubic actually built in interludes, and some of these films like Barry Lyndon and two thousand and one, so, whereas I would rather watch them in the one sitting, I've seen them before. So it you know, I don't mind splitting them up. It does kind of make it more digestible perhaps for people who haven't got the same outlook as I have. It's very interesting point Tom About interludes and a lot of the very long films back in the day, back in the S S S S, at those interludes in there, those intermissions where you could take a break at some hot coin and then come back. And the big purest question is probably you fast forward through the music when you watch on DVD or Blu Ray, or do you actually sit through the entire interlude for those DVD and Blurro releases that include the interludes in them, and I actually really love that term in the zone that you describe. Will move on to Lauren now and we'll find out what Lauren's experiences are and how often she watches a film in more than one go yeah, so similar to Tom I am. I very rarely watch a film in more than one sitting. The only times that I would ever do that would be if I noticed that I was just getting too tired or I had a headache or something like that. And there's been a couple times where I've misjudged how long the film is going to take and I have work or have to go out somewhere or something like that. And otherwise I prefer to watch it all in one sitting if possible, but I also will break it up if it's a really long film, over maybe four hours. Otherwise I'll watch it straight so a good point, Lauren, about knowing how long films Ou and sometimes miss judging it. So now I have a large number of DVD's that I've got the incorrect running time printed on the back of them, and sometimes IMDB's from nation is not entirely up to date either. And let's hear from Adam and see whether he can beat me before I let you guys know how often I'll watch a film and more than one go. For me, it's it's probably a regular thing, to be honest, because it depends, I think. If I watch a film during the week, I'm more likely to posit at some point, depending on how busy I am a business, I've been at work, that kind of thing, and if I'm really into a film, you know I'll watch the whole thing in one go, certainly, sometimes even staying up late being tired the next day. But when I'm watching films on my laptop is it's quite common for me to pose them at some point because I get quite easily distracted by other things and I'm quite often when I'll watch a film in two goals and then coming back to myself. How often do I watch a film or the one go I would say today, maybe once every two days. At Las. Several Times throughout the week I watch a lot of films and I can very easily put a film down the speak and then pick it up and start watching again. Be watching a good film is equivalent for reading a good book. Don't read a book in a single sitting. Likewise, with a really good movie, will work over multiple settings. This late I prefer to watch films in one go. If it's something that I know is going to be a long enough, I try and give myself enough time to be able to watch and a single go. However, if it gets too late, if something comes up and I have to go out, the end of the world for me. If I needed you shopping or do something else before a certain time, I don't mind stopping the film, doing shopping, coming back with hood shops closed works perfectly fine for me. Ice Ideal to be able to not interrupted, but there are actually some films that I think benefit from being watched and more than one go. On the subject of films that benefit from being watched them more than one go, I've got a couple of examples. I want to see if any of you guys have examples of films that you think actually benefit being watched in chunks rather than all the time all at once. Will start with Tom do you to my view on film cures him? I don't have any examples of films that I think would benefit from being watching chunks? I would always take the option of watching the film in one sitting. So don't actually have any examples, I'm...

...fraid. Okay, that's all right, Tom I was sort of suspecting you want to have any examples. Move on to Laura now and see if you can think of any films that really benefit from being watched in chunks. I'm not sure if any particular films do benefit, but I think the main film that I watched in chunks was Satan's tango because there was no day where I was going to have seven hours of uninterrupted film watching to get through that. So I watched it about one hour each day for a week. But pretty much the only time I think a film with work like that is if it's episodic in nature or a miniseries. Otherwise, I feel like any film would would benefit from just being watched in one sitting. So I actually watched since tango in in one sitting one day. It was quite a grueling experience and I probably wouldn't do it again. Sadly, it wasn't a film that really resonated or connected with me on a personal level. I didn't dislike it, but it didn't particularly impressed me that much. But I'm glad that I saw it in one sitting because, as I said before, I think that's just what the filmmakers intend and I know that there have been instances where since tango will be shown in cinemas. So it would have been nice to have watched it in the cinema for seven hours. But I don't know. Okay, because I think when I watched it I probably did have a couple of toilet break to get through it. Very interesting points. They're from Tom and Lauren. Lauren brought up miniseries and I think it's a really good thing to consider because what Tom said is he's looking at our films with design to be watched. If you go with one of my all time favorite films, fanny and Alexander, I've only seen the miniseries version. I've always watched it in much as one go as I can for me, but when never intended it to be saying that way. So we actually not respecting the director's vision if we watch a miniseries or all at once. I don't know. It's an interything. The thing to discuss would go over to Adam now and see if Adam can think of any films their benefit from being watched in more than one go for me, I don't really think of it in terms of the film itself. I think of it in terms of, you know, the mood I'm in and times tired, then it's going to be beneficial to finish it the next day because if I'm sitting there watching like a horror film, you know by the end maybe I'm not concentrating as much. And I also think some films that are a bit later, you know, some comedies, some films are especially films aren't as great. I just say watching them in the more than one sitting doesn't really affect it too much, whereas perhaps a really intense film and like a classic film, that kind of thing is something I'd want to watch definitely in one goal. But when it's a film that's not as great, or it's a kind of comedy something like that, I think it doesn't make that much difference if you watch it in more than one sitting. I don't know when you want me to talk about certain tangle and my experience about that and I can leave it until later if you want. I haven't actually seeing Satan's tango, so I'm curious if there's anything you like to share about. Well, it's slightly embarrassing to bring it up, especially when we have, you know, Tom, who's the president of the film Purism Club, you know, as part of this podcast, and I also, you know, I don't want to risk getting removed as Admin, and I see them for I'm ever, but I watched sertaince tangle and must have been about ten years ago. And Yeah, I feel like I'm making a confession now. You know, it's quite this quite difficult to say it out, like it's easier to type it than there to speak it. But for that particular film, and it's I think it's the only film I ever did this for. Before I start getting hate mail, I yeah, I fast forwarded parts of it, the scenes where, you know enough, not a lot was happening, like they were like how you standing in a just co standing for like ten minutes. I kind of watch that part on fast forward when I feel, you know, I feel very ashamed. You know what Tom it in front of Tom, but everyone makes mistakes when they're younger, and I'm kind of joking, you know, in case people aren't sure, but yeah, I for me it was like a seven and a half hour film and at that point I really wasn't ready to watch that kind of thing. I got a bit sick of it, to be honest. And Yeah, I think it's only kind of fast forwarded. But yeah, that was my that was my unfortunate story, sentenced to angle and Tom and I hope you forgive me. I forgive you, Adam, although it is kind of blasphemous, but it made me laugh as well, because I'm just thinking, what did that extra ten minutes of me just watching a cow standing still really bring to my life, you know, because it wasn't a film that I particularly enjoyed anyway. But you know, I don't think I'd ever fast forward something body each of them. It was a onetime thing, Tom okay, so please don't use that as your judgment of me, as a pression. After I'm Adams Confession, I'm going to go to films that I think benefit from being...

...watched in chunks. Is a film from golf of Bein Ski Cord, a cure for wellness. I thought this film massively benefited from me watching it in chunks, because I was really busy with work that we had, couldn't watch it all in one night, and so two and a half hour film, I think I watched it over three nights and it was really cool because it actually affected my dreams. They'll sleeping and thinking about it. That's a mystery movie and you're trying to work out what's happening and the weird things are going on with its asylum at all these theories in my head and it was absolutely amazing going to bed two nights and when you think about it, as I'm going to sleep and then finishing the next day. So I thought that one really benefited from being seen in multiple goes. It's actually interesting on this topic is that at the my mom in the middle of watching a another long film to get up in watching in chunks. It's the latest spike Lee one five bloods. I've watched it in three twenty to twenty five minutes segments so far and actually joying watch again segments because the film is all about these friends, oh coming back and reuniting and give me an appropriate time to be able to watch and sort of get into this case of these friends coming together, seeing themselves after all these years and then playing to do this thing to rescue this gold that they stole forty, five or fifty years ago. And I'm curious to finish it, but I'll probably finish you're going to again in maybe two or three goes. I don't think want to watch the final hour and a half of it all at once. And the other thing which is interesting is that it's same netflix film. One of the things I said in the INTRO is with the rise of Netflix filmmakers these days expecting people to watch their films all in one go. I don't know. I'm sure Tom loves something to say about this. Yeah, I'm literally dying inside here and you say this whole it's crazy to think that you know you'll happily watch a film in you know, five or six parts. are kind of curious as to when you would choose to stop the film. The you try and wait until it's in it a good point to stop the film, you know a gap in the story, or will you just stop it when something else comes along that you need to do outside of the film? I will actually wait till they gap in the store is about. I say I'll pause it mid sentence, but no, I'll wait until it changes scenes and it goes to a different location, and then I'll stop and do whatever I need to and then come back to it afterwards. Okay, so that's not as bad as I thought, but still, I don't know. You got buy on that, because I always think if you stop seeing, you know, a horror film or way through you know, you lose that potentially lose the sense of the atmosphere. It might interfere with a good jump scare, for instance, because you obviously will never know what's coming next in the film. So stopping it kind of runs the risk of interfering with, you know, whatever the filmmakers intended to come next. Yeah, I know you're saying Tom but the five bloods, which is credited as a war drama, which also I can tell it's not a film that moves with that intensity. I like the intensity description that Adam brought up a few minutes ago. If it was a really intense film like, let's say the Bruce was classic die hard, I would always watch that one go, maybe two at the most, because there's something constantly happening all the time and it's a film about friends getting back together and talking and the pacing isn't quite there. I think it works a bit better and a cure for wellness. The film like that. It's like a mystery novel. It all goes along at a methodic, slow pace but sort of helps all it. I found that it helped to break it up a little bit. I agree that if there was a horror film, especially one of those jump scare horror films, of which are far too many today, that wouldn't be an ideal film to try and watch and shocks well, I was going to add to the the tension discussion. When I watched uncut gems, which I watched at home, I was actually getting so anxious and my heart was pounding too much I actually had to pause it and take a break and go for like a quick ten minute walk just to calm down, because I actually just couldn't. I couldn't sit there and watch it. It was like hurting me too much. But otherwise, if I'm really into a film, I usually like I don't want to pause and stop it, but in that case I was actually just just to you know, viscerally affected. I had to stop just mentioned. It's not so much that I want to pause it and I'm actively looking for. I can I find the part where they stopped talk, because I could finally pauses and do something else then come back to it. I'm not quite so adhd like that and a little bit, but I'm not quite like that. It's just more of it. If I've got something to do, like do some shopping, I don't mind waiting to the end of a scene, wasting it will stopping it the coming back and resuming it afterwards.

Off It's getting really late at night, I don't mind stopping it and then resuming it the next day, but I'm not actively looking forward to all that. Sound me chunks. I can break this up to just to annoy Tom I'm not quite like that, or at least not yet. I have a couple of questions for Saul, if you don't mind. Do you find that you enjoy certain films more because you've broken up into chunks? And also, do you ever purposely watch it in chunks because you enjoyed a film so much and that that extends the kind of doing time, so you're watching a film over two days, so you get two days of enjoyment rather than just two overs. It's interesting question. Adam, the cure for wellness. I did find that I thought I was enjoying it more because I was watching it in different chunks. Yes, there's a big question of what constitutes a chunk. I'd say for a shine could need to be at least twenty minutes. I can't watch like one minute here, one minute there, one minute there and this. It's something which is really experimental, one out there or Andy Willhole's empire, if I ever see that, but in twenty to thirty minute chunks. And Yeah, there are some films that are really enjoyable. It's nice to be able to carry over. It was nice to be able to do that with a cure for wellness, although I don't know if I would have as much as I was enjoying it if I didn't have the work commitments the next day. We also, I thought, because I watch Satan's tango and chunks. You know, I didn't like the film. I found it more like more easily digestible, because it's not really my type of film and I feel like it's possible I would have liked it less if I hadn't broken it up like that. It's actually a very good point, lauren, because every so often I will start watching a film and I'll realize very soon into it that I'm not in the mood for it, and that's a good type of film to sort of break it up, because with a film that you start watching and you realize, yeah, this isn't bring nothing for me, pretty much the worst thing you can do for yourself is to force yourself to endure it. It's only going to go down in your estimation. There's definitely a lot of talk heavy, dialog heavy films from the S and n s before I start getting what's artistic. Lots of films my era I have watched in chunks and I found them easier to digest in chunks because there's so little actually going on in them beyond the characters and the dialog. It's easier for me to take it here a bit there, rather than have to force myself to watch artistically boring film for ninety minutes in one setting. Our producer, Yoka, has said that she's not in the mood to watch a film. She actually white just stop it and started again. Stop it, she'll go back to the beginning and then start from beginning again. It should, I technically might be the better thing to do. But now the probably depends on how long you leaven before you go back to carry on watching it. That's an interesting point. I'm never not in the mood for watching a film, but there will be times when I know that I'm tired or my focuses is lagging, and when that's the case, I will always punch for like a horror film with a short run time, something easy, so I'm still going to be able to get my film fix, but I know it's something that doesn't require much investment or focus, and in that way I will try and save over films which we require more concentration, for time when I know that I'm going to be able to give myself fully to the film. Yeah, I have another question, since apparently my role today is to ask questions Tom what would you do if, and you'd watched after film, You Watch requarters of the film paracop or something like that? Would you start the entire film again, or would you ever? Would you ever continue you where you left off the next day or a couple days later? That's a great question, Adam. I'm not sure what to do. I don't think that I'd want to restore fill from the start. If I was quite a way through it. I suppose it depends on the quality of the film and how much I'm enjoying it. It's an interesting point to raise because I've actually had experiences quite similar to this in the cinema a few times, not necessarily with power courts, but things where cinema has started playing the film but there's been no sound for like the first ten fifteen minutes and then the sound comes on and fifteen minutes and it's just played on and for that instance I can't remember the form. It wasn't something particularly great, but that was incredibly frustrating. And there's been a few instances where, due to the shoddy work of projectionists in cinemas, that things like that have happened and, as you can imagine, that absolutely infuriates me. So not it's not a film, but recently I went to see that the lion king, the musical, and it came to the climax where scar and some bar are on the cliff and then something went wrong with...

...like the props or something went wrong on the stage. So then everyone is waiting in the audience for half an hour for it to start again and it completely ruined the experience because all the tension and everything is gone and then in the end, instead of I'm going up at cliff and kind of falling from the cliff, they did the whole scene just standing on the ground, you know. So that that was an experience, obviously not in a film, but I was an experience where the pas really ruined experience and I can imagine that could also happen in a cinema if you're watching a film and it's that I can really important stage and then something goes wrong. Adam, that's really interesting. I've never had that happen in a play before. There has happened in the movie theaters a couple of times and I just accept her and going along with it. We'll move on to our next question now, and it's one where I think most of us be able to answer. I don't know what Tom's aunts will be because is a film purest but next question was, do you ever pause a movie while watching it, for example, and the laughing for a movie, to go to the toilet? I keep this in all to take a phone call. I know that Tom is such a film purist he will not go to the toilet if he needs drink. You will just say something that this was nice to experiences, but it's worth it for him. I'm worried now that you've got this vision of me just sitting on the SOFA watching a film, whetting myself just because I don't want to be that's for said. That would not, UN what I was really question. So anyway I can, if you get answer, it's here early, maybe the first one, and just give about the toilet one. Well, the reason why I don't need to take a break for the toilet is because I make it a point of going to the toilet before watch a film. Where I'm at home or wherever I'm at the cinema, whether I need to or not, I would go to the toilet. I just want to make sure that I don't have a breakthrough in the field, and that might sound ridiculous to some people, but I just thought you might want to hear about it anyway, so I'll share it. When it comes to taking a phone call, that would not happen because when I watch a film, I put my phone on mute so it won't ring, it won't vibrate and I put it in another room so it's out of reach. So I don't even know if if someone's calling me. Thankfully, in this day and age we don't have a house phone because we don't have a need for one. So the only interruptions would be if someone knocks on the door. And when I'm watching films with a girlfriend or friends, I will encourage them to do the same with the phone, but up to the extreme that you know, I will make them put their phone in and we reom make them put it on silent. Each to their own, but I will obviously encourage that to try and keep the film purism going and replicate cinema conditions as close it's really some dedication. Then Tom you how to put your phone in another room, I guess if you're not expecting any emergencies to but you're going to going to be like not going to be contactable if there's an emergency and your phones in another room. For Work, I actually and they have my phone with me, maybe not at night, but actually they have it with me. So really an option for me. I think it's because as well, obviously you're not meant to be on the phone in the cinema. So I always got in the habit of specifically turning my phone off in the pot in my pocket whilst I was in the cinema. So when I'm at home put it in another room on silent, it's just the same as if I was in the cinema. So yes, I'm one caught on. No one can get hold of me. But if was to happen in an emergency was going on and someone needed me in the cinema, they wouldn't be able to get hold of me anyway. So it just have to wait until the end. Just have this vision of you tom going to the cinema and begging the people are front, Carter, can you please hold onto my mobile phone, because I don't want it with me in the cinema. They have actually been instances where pat to hand my phone in for preview screenings and that's quite nice feeling because everyone in the cinema, you know they've not got the phone on them, so there's not going to be any interruptions. Your phone was and they put them all in separate bags. And you know what, if that was implemented across all cinemas for every screening, be a very happy man. But people don't want to part with their phones, do they? So yeah, it'd be tough to hit carry out that for every cinema going. CAN ASK TOM if he gets people to sit in the background of his house, you know in the lounge, for example, you in popcorn and making noises and being a Nying so they can show it them and kind of replicate the cinema experience as a lore, sticky off modes, food and everything. How how far do you go to make it if you bring the bad quality and it's just the good qualities to yet most of that sounds like fun potentially for you. That would be my...

...idea of it. A nightmare, just people munching on the popcorn behind me and talking and stuff. Hopefully, one episode, one day we can come into Tom's house and when I am in the background or something, we could stream it like the how okay, we'll move on now and we'll find out whether Lauren takes phone calls. Well, I never get phone calls. I haven't had a phone call in pretty much years, so I definitely don't have to worry about that. I do pause quite often to take care of various bodily functions and also I used to always watch films alone in my room, so I didn't really get interrupted. But since I don't live alone anymore, sometimes people wander out of their rooms into my space and it doesn't really interrupt me, but I do like to pause it and wait for them to leave to continue the experience without the little interruption. Okay, Adam, I react phone calls while I'm watching a film pretty much the same way I react to phone calls in general. You know I will answer. Maybe if I'm enjoying the film so much or it's a crucial point and I know the phone call isn't that important, I may just ignore it until until later. Could God relates a little bit to the phone one, depending or assuming you're all using smartphones, is do you look at your phone, computer, ipad screen? Or here's a big one, do you look at your watch? I'll watching a movie and we'll get our film. Purest Tomet to respond to this one. First, find out if he has to restart a film from the beginning if you accidentally glances at his watch. Funny enough. So I don't actually own a watch, so I'm fine. So I've dodged that one already, and you know that I won't look at my phone or computer screen while watching a film. So I gaze is almost permanently fixed on that screen for the dish in the film or I think I know what I'm going to get Tom for Christmas this year. It watch over there's quite interesting. I don't wear my watch when I'm outside the house, but I do have a fit bit that does have the time on it. Will see what Lauren says. I will check the time occasionally if it's really boring or if I have work or I have something on later where I need to keep an eye on the time, but I never really take my eye off the screen for more than a second or two. And if I get a message or something like that, then I'll pause and have a look, but generally I won't look away as much as I can. It's very interesting, low and very dedicated then to watching the film properly. I will see what Adam has to say about looking at screens or phones or watches while watching a movie. kind of related to this. I mean I watch everything on VLC Media Player and it has the runtime, you know, has how many minutes are left in the film. So I feel like that's something that might distract Tom so depend on how much I'm enjoying the film and maybe also checking how long is left. If it's something I'm right hitting, I'll be thinking on my God, just forty seven minutes left, for example. So that is one thing I do look at and I think for me the big downside of watching it on the laptop is if I'm not that into the film, you know, maybe I'll check something else I need to check with my email or something. So I want actively be doing anything else while I'm watching a film, but maybe I'll quickly brow something like BBC News, for example, if if it's a particularly boring part of the film. Again, I would like to say I'm sorry to Tom you know, for any distress that these antswers are causing, but yeah, I'd rather not watch on my laptop. You know, I'd rather watch everything on TV, but just the way the things, the way the world is. No, I watch a lot of things on my laptop and it has downsides as well. Do not have to apologize at all for distressing Tom Adam, because my answers promise you're going to distress an even more. Do I look at my watch? Well, watching a film, I would say yes, probably all the time, every single second during the film. But I can't remember the last film that I've actually watched without looking at my watch the least once. I guess it's just become a bit of a habit over the years. Even if it's a film that I'm enjoying, I'll probably just check, you know, once or twice or whatever, and see how much long I've got left of it. It's a film that I'm really disliking, though, then yes, looking at the timeline, saying along as left, is actually something that helps me get to the end of the film. But I was sitting there and having no idea how much longer was left, it would actually be quite torturous. I've actually got an interesting point about that. The DVD of Federico Fellini's ladulce Vita. Or whatever reason, the DVD on the Australian release doesn't actually have time codes on it. So when I was playing on my dvd player, I couldn't see how much was left of it,...

...which is really infuriating because for anybody who hasn't seen it, it's a very undering and meandering film. It does pick up around halfway in when one character does something unexpected and it causes them, Cello Mastro, any character, to reflect on his life at the first half of the fill. Up until that's very meandering and just watching going. I've lost track of how much Loung I've got left. It was really a bit of an type of experience for me generally in terms of looking at stuff. I will look at my watch, I'll look at my phone. If it's not a particularly great film, I will will be knowing to a quick refresh of ICM for andcom to see who has posted what. So that does happen occasionally. Something I'm doing every single minute during a film, not on my phone every single minute. There's something I do from time to time and it's not something that I really apologize for either, because I think back to my intro is just about the way films have evolved and where we experience of impro system has also evolved. I think that looking at the run time and what's left of a film could potentially spoil say, I look at the run time in there's a and two minutes left to go, I know that film's going to end and then in it would be wrapping up at some point and I like to just get completely immersed in the film. So I think it would detract from me because I knew that the plot is going to come to an end very short ifference. It's a looked to find out how much done there. Yeah, I think last week I was watching a film and my boyfriend came out of his room and I paused it and he was like all, how long's your film got left? And I checked and I was one minute and I was like, Oh, okay, I think I just spoiled it. It's a very interesting point about run times, although one thing which I would out on the table is that or films have a different length of end credits. There are some films, including recent films, where I've watched until maybe about two minutes left and the end credits roll. He sort of expect them start rolling about six or seven minutes before the end. Sometimes the film can surprise you want to have more in store forward. I do agree with some films, especially some films that I've got very powerful abrupt endings would possibly take a bit of the punch out of it if you know that it's about to end and then it does actually end. This question about the end of the film's actually brings us to our next question. The podcast cheers. Whether you stare at the screen during the end credits, I'm sure Tom does, or whether you do something else while the end credits applying it. Are Actually anybody in this podcast session who actually stops a film before the end credits? Now, Yoga, our producer, will only watch the end credits if she knows there's something at the end of them, but most people that I know start leaving the cinema as soon as the end credits start rolling. What do you guys do? Do you stick around? And if you stick around, do you stare blankly at the screen and look at all those names that you have no idea what on earth they refer to? And will get Tom to start off with us again. So I usually like to watch the end credits if possible, enjoy and listen to the music that's played over the end credits and also it just gives you a time to, you know, digest the film that you've watched and just think about things. Perhaps one of the reasons I do this is that I used to volunteer and independent Film Theater and before the film started they would have an announcement. That's some people want to watch the end credits. Please remain in your seats until the end credits have finished in the lights have come up. Now. That didn't always have the desired effect. You would obviously have some people, people who would just, you know, get up and try and leave discreetly, and sometimes you would have members of the audience tutting at the people who were leaving early. I wouldn't go that far, but it would happen. There are instances as well we're a like to watch the end credits because you know there's potential scene at the end the filmmakers have put in like a teaser for the next film in the series. But there are occasionally instances where I don't watch the end credits. Perhaps it's because it's a film that I'm not particularly enjoyed so I'm not bothered about staying for them. Or if I'm with a group of friends and they all start getting up and leave and I'm not going to sit there and remain on my own to watch the credits, I'm just going to go along with them for the ride for that one. Make a very good point, tom about the music and the end credits. I love in credits music. As soon as the music starts, I hop off to my laptop and I start looking up the film are letter boxed or on. I check movies, start reading some reviews, then what other...

...people have had to say. Well, the music is going in the background. That's actually really good experience to me. I love looking at reviews. That why, while that music like a sort of playing over, I'm not actually focused on looking at the screen, looking at all the end credits and reading the best boy did and what all the drives did and we're will shock and all the copyright for the music will find out and now what Lauren's take is and whether she watches end credits until the end. I'd have never watched the credits aside from what I've been at the cinema watching a film which we know has a scene after the credits and the people that I'm with want to watch it. I don't care about scenes after the credits. All that's interesting. Actually might be more of a purist than Lauren, even though, unlike Tom I'm not sitting there watching every single person's name. Actually do a the end credits. Interesting to find out with Adam and see whether Adam plays the end credits and whether he reads every single name, if he does it, whether just lets the music sink in it while he does other things. Okay, I have a couple of points on this. At the cinema, sometimes I stay. The main reason I would stay is because I'm hoping there's a scene after the credits, depending on which film is or sometimes it's nice to just sit in the cinema after I an intense film here the music at the end. I'm not in terms of reading the credits, so I only really read anything if there's someone in it. I what I want to check your name, for example. One thing that this conversation I actually made me think of was something I really really hate. So if you're watching a film and Netflix some things you want to watch the end credit, there's a there's a song, there's something you want to hear, and then Netflix says this awful habit of like trying to force you to to watch something different. You know, as soon as the end credits start, or you're watching my TV series, your own episode one, and then it gets to the credits and it instantly trick takes you to an episode two, but you're right here. I was watching something on the credits. It really is so frustrating because obviously they're their purpose systemic. You Watch something else, but you don't get the I'm not some kind of purest. I need the credits, but I want to get to choose when I can finish her lot and I want to hear the song I want to hear. I want to read something in the credits. I don't want to be forced to move on to the next thing. So that is one thing and I think the whole you know, Netflix probably has a very negative effect in terms of film purism and whilst whilst I'm not a film purist in the same way as Tom Maybe there are aspects of Netflix and streaming which for straight me and I think take away from the enjoyment. Something that really frustrates me as well. I don't you know, when I'm watching the end credits, I'm not specifically reading every name we know from that's going by. You know, there maybe an actor or actress that I'm curious about and I just want to find out who played a certain character or the maybe a few songs that I've really enjoyed in the film that I want to listen to again after would so I'll look out for the hill music at the at the end of the credits and stuff like that. You know it's useful to enjoy doing that thought. Adam also at a very interesting point there about Netflix, because annoys me to no end. Also because, as I've said before, I actually really love listening to end credits music, even if I never read the names. It's actually got to the point where sometimes I'm on the treadmill after sort of jump off the treadmill and space over to the TV and the computers plugged into and after like stop head and minimize or maximize it so it starts playing the credits, not playing the trailer. For the next thing that's suggesting for me related to that, because now I've mentioned that with the treadmill, all the things that I do when I watch films as I actually go on the treadmill so actually exercise are watching a movie. I think the few film here some sense. I think that actually is still and purism, because I'm actually still watching the movie the whole time. My Eyes are straight forward. My legs are doing something, though, so I'm actually getting a bit of fitness in at the same time. It's not just exercise. Something else would you can also do quite easily while still looking at the screen, is eating, and I don't know definitely. In cinemas there are a lot of people who will eat during a movie or in just asked. Do I walk around it? No, I walk on the treadmill. I think if I was running on the treadmill it could end up being a little bit dangerous or something I expected comes out and shocks me in our horror film and I might go on and fall off. Actually have kind of done that already a couple of times, just with walking, but now it's just walking. It keeps me fit. I don't mind doing I can still see the screen the whole time. Same with eating. I will have been known to watch a film while I'm eating lunch or while I'm eating dinner if I'm eating out at...

...home. Sometimes I will, sometimes I won't, something which I think really two tracks from it because I am looking at the screen the whole time. I'm interested to find out this one, especially from Tom, because Tom has already told me before the podcast began, already said soul I don't eat anything during a film. Wondering about drinking with Thomas Film purism. If he's getting thirsty as he stopped and get a drink of water, or does he just wait till the end of the film and, as usual, we'll go with Tom First. Okay, so I usually don't actually have a drink when I'm watching films at home. I'll just set on the SOFA and hopefully I won't get thirsty. Another aspect if why I don't drink is because the more you drink, boy, you need a visit to the toilet. Right. So if you're watching a long film, three hour film, and you've got, you know, drink there, whether you're the start of it, chances are if you get through that drink, you're going to need to go to the toilet at some point. Corey, whilst watching a film, I love films that much that all I want to do is focus entirely on the film. I don't want to multitask. So my whole existence during the time that film one is just watching the film. Corm, I need to ask something. Would you ever? Would you ever go to the toilet and need to film running in the background so you can still hear it? I don't think I would. If I was that desperate to go to the toilet, I would. I'm not going to go to those extreme that's a great question. It's kind of interesting how this podcast is turning into lesson on bodily functions. If Tom Making that connection between going to the bathroom and drinking thing is if your name is soul and you're get fitness in it by doing treadmilling. Can't really treadmill and watch a film and not drink anything, unless you're looking to collapse, which you know, maybe you might be. But I actually do need to drink water while I'm watching a film im on the treadmill, and yes, it does mean that I might ear to pause they go to the bathrooms are we've already established I'm not a ful purest other than watching or this thing to the end credits. I'll be interested to hear what Lauren's take is. The she eats pinks whether she exercises while watching a film. Years ago I used to watch TV while I was writing the exercise bike TV shows, but not films. But I might fitbit. Gives me a buzz ten minutes to the end of every hour to do two hundred and fifty steps, and I will just march in place for two minutes to get those in. Otherwise I don't do any kind of exercise. I have a water bottle with me everywhere I go I always have a water but I have a water bottle next to me now. I take one to bed, I take on when I go out and I'm never, never go anywhere without a water bottle. So I happily drink while I'm watching a film and I tend to eat. I try not to snack now because I try to eat healthier, but I do still snack and often I'll make dinner and I'll sit down with dinner and start watching a film, but I don't I will try not to get up to get snacks and come back, although that happened sometimes as well. That's a good point about snacking, Lauren. I actually don't snack, or as little as I can. I try not to snack during a film because, yeah, I'm trying to be more healthy and really find the need for it. Usually it's extremely boring. Maybe I'll be looking and getting it up loud or something. And in terms of meals, yeah, I'd sit down happily and to meal and watch a film. It's usually quite an enjoyable experience. I can sometimes add extra flavor to the food. I don't know, depends what you're watching. Maybe I will take it to Adam, I feel a bit left. Don't know, but I do not exercise while watching film. I would drink watching a film. Yes, I'd not normally eat. If I'm at home, I'vor. I mean sometimes, sometimes, if a meeting a meal, I'll watch a TV program for example, but I do tend to find it can get really hard to concentrate on the film if you're eating at the same time. You know you're looking down you're eating. It does it does actually distract me quite a lot. On the topic of drinking, I wanted to tell a quick story. So a few years ago quite a lot of us from the forum went to see Napoleon. There's like a seven hour or constructing a performance of it, and there's a lady next to me who got so into the bowling that I had a bottle of water. I mean that it was a seven hour film, so I had to drink sometimes, and every time I drank from the bottle of water she had to put her hand up to cover the right hand side of her face, which you couldn't see me. So she took it to extremes. She was shouting at people behind us for eating and stuff like that. So there are people who are even probably even more extreme than Tom is. But yeah, I also actually understand...

...them. Like I tend not to drink that much, you know, I don't drink before I don't really want to have to leave halfway through the film and go to the toilet. I've done that before and you end up you're guaranteed to miss something very important. They can arrange things a little bit. But to add to that, when I saw Avatar at the cinema, I drank my water bottle in the first like thirty minutes and I spent the rest of the film desperate to go to the toilet. But although I'm happy to pause the film at home, I don't like to get up at the cinema. So that was pretty tough. And with people eating, I'm usually okay with a it, but I did have this person next to me once and he was eating this ice cream and took him like fifteen minutes and he was sloping the hell out of it and it was just the noisiest eating I've ever heard. It was just it was actually painful and I really wanted to smack the ice cream out of his hand. It was just horrible. And then he pulled out more food and it was just, yeah, terrible. That sounds like a complete nightmare. I would have had to have moved seats if there's a free one available somewhere else in the screen. And it's awful. When you sat down in your comfy in the cinema, you ready for the film to begin, someone just comes and sits down by you a big ice cream or a big, massive box of popcorn and you know that they're just going to be munching on it all the way through the film. That could be really frustrated. But to the subjective of drinking during films, I remember that do actually sometimes drink during films. If I've seen a film once and I love it want to watch it again, perhaps I'll watch it with a few beers just to really, you know, relax, enjoy it and go with it. It's rare that I'll watch a film that I haven't seen before when I'm intoxicated because, again, that kind of interferes with my notion of being focused in the zone when you're watching a film. But if we've already seen the film and perhaps a bit more relaxed about my approach to film pill once again, I might be more of a film purist than I thought. I've never watched a film when intoxicated or on any kind of substance. Don't know if it's something which my co post would like to add to now not we'll move on to the next star topic or Adam wants to talk about phone is song. It's quite hard to be drinking alcohol while you're also on the treadmill at the same time, so there's probably a reason back to get disaster. Exercise and eating and drinking water acceptable. Still see what's happening on the screen, even if Tom doesn't like it. However, what about other multitasking you do? Any other sorts of multitasking? You watching a film, something where sometimes you can't look at the screen a hundred percent of the time? I know I do, but before I talk about the naughty things I do, I want to hear from my co host and whether they multitask while they watch a film. And, although Tom's going to say no, will still let him go first and see what he has to say on the subject. You're just enjoying making me squeam today. Aren't yourself, because the idea of multitasking join a film just doesn't sit well with me at all. So No, I do nothing but watch a film. Is Now multitasking? No, not when I've got a film on your fairness, the morning tasking and I'm doing is not something to concentrate on, like ridding review or doing something for work at the same time. I wouldn't be able to multitask with that. Talking about very light menial things. But will first see what everybody else has to say, because who knows, maybe I'm but he's got something that will make Tom Squirm a little bit more than what I do, which is multitasking when watching films. Let's hear from Lauren and see what she does. That's more in tasking, if anything at all. Well, I keep a notebook next to me and I write down notes as I'm watching so I can write my little review things afterwards. That's pretty much all I do multitasking ways these days. But I guess it also counts that when me and Adam used to watch films online, we have msn back in the old msn days, and we chat on there while watching the same film separately. We will just watching trashy, bad films like the IMDB bottom hundred, a whole slew of terrible Turkish comedies and films like that. Usually I'd like to treat every film equally, but in those cases I think that was the only way to really get through them. Thanks for that, Lauren. See if Adam has any other stories to tell before I make Tom's and spin with what I find myself able to do while watching a movie. Yeah, I'm I have been known to multitask doing films and I don't like that I do it. But I have been known to watch the film. Maybe I'm not enjoying it that much or maybe I don't have to concentrate as much if it's something I've seen already. I've been known to have the film on like the left hand side of the screen and then something else on the right hand side of the screen, which probably makes Tom went to till me. But yeah, so I think.

Yeah, there's just too many things available online. There's too much going on at once. I get easily distracted. My attention span can be terrible with this stuff and I do find it quite distracting watching a lapped up, for that is my main way of watching films. So yeah, sorry again, Tom in terms of what I do, as I've said, it's nothing to demanding. It's nothing I am looking at another screen or looking at something else just going to really take my attention away. But I actually like to have a movie on while I'm doing the dishes and while I'm cleaning the kitchen counter, the very menial tasks. I can do them really easily. The way my house is set up, I'm able to face the TV as I'm doing it. I might be looking down for a second as I'm getting one dish and going to the next dish. I wouldn't be watching something like highly demanding foreign language film. I wouldn't be watching, you know, and acclaimed classic, but something which I know is not a particularly great film in the first place. I don't mind having it on, looking away for a couple of seconds, maybe every minute or so, as I'm doing the dishes, as I'm doing some menial cleaning in the house. If Tom Wants to react to this, for we go into the next question, I can't imagine multitasking during a film. Just seems quite alien to me, to be truthful. I suppose it's due to my view of films and how much I enjoy them, and I just think that you know, everyone involved in that film all the filmmakers, the actors, people will behind the scenes. You've put them together and spent so much, so many hours, you know, work on the film and getting it to the final products that we watch and enjoy that it seems strange that we're not taking it all in whilst watching it. I don't know if this is good comparison, but I can't imagine, say, going into an art gallery and looking at a picture painting and what if some bits that painting would bleed out because the bits that you've not seen of the film. You know what I mean, you're not digesting the whole product. Things will be missed because you're not giving it your full attention. So, yeah, it just seems strange to me, but I know it's the way that some people watch films, so there's nothing wrong with that at all. It just, yeah, makes me Squirm as you can sell the art gallery painting tells you that you made. It's an interesting one. Tom I would say that when I am watching a film while doing the dishes or while doing very like cleaning, it's not going to be anything where I need a concentral on the screen, be something where there's very dialog heavy scenes. It would be a film that is very boring. Lee Shot to be something where I'm fairly confident that I'm not going to miss out on much by looking way for a little bit. And with any film, if I find afterwards it turns out to be amazing, I've always got the opportunity to re watch it under more ideal conditions. I far, with a majority of films are out there, at least the ones that I tend to watch, there's a lot of scenes and which are not dynamic at all and which, if you look away for a couple of seconds, are going to end up watching very much. I've actually got a great idea Nour next time I want to watch the dishes, I'm going to put on that cal scene from Satan's tango so I can least say that I've watched part of that film. They also might also mentioned before that anybody else try iming it's just about the respect to the artists, because that's something which I mentioned in the intro. Does seem a bit disrespectful in a way to not be giving full attention to a piece of art that was created. A lot of it's about how the artist is it to be seen with filmmakers putting things on Netflix. From ways we consume films these days. The artist really expects us to sit there glued to the screen the whole time? I don't know. And the other thing is they're not there. You've already paid for that rental, you've already paid for that disc, you've already given your money to be able to consume it there to watch you and see what you're doing. It's been different to live theater. I want to go into a play if even the line king with a momentary started for Adam one start washing dishes or doing cleaning during a live performance? During a film, I think it's slightly different, especially it's a film that isn't very heavy on the visuals and which is extremely how they on the dialog see if anybody else wants to try me in it before we go to our next big questions, which you're going to really hurt Tom's brain even further. Well, I'm not that fast about the artist. I do give them some respect by the fact that I'm giving their film a shot and I try to pay as much attention...

...as like as possible. Like to me, film isn't active hobby, not a passive hobby. It's not something I sit down to switch off my brain and enjoy it, something that I not necessarily study, but something that I'm trying to be actively engaged with. But at the film isn't doing that for me and it's dragging me away, then that's just how it's going to be for that film. Okay, it's interesting to hear that. I'm not alone or be happy to do something else if a film is not to engaging. Might move on to our next topic, though. This is an interesting one, especially for our film purest Tom who watch movies in the dark, or do you watch movies with the lights on? And we'll go to Tom First, that you'll already know the answer to this one. Obviously I like to replicate cinema condition, so I will watch films in the dark. I will draw the curtains during the day when I'm watching a film, so who knows what the neighbors think to think I've not got out a bad yet. Put in the Living Room curtains are more often short than they are open, so that I can be in dark and enjoy the film in cinema conditions. Yeah, not a surprising response at or Tom and I love the comment about the neighbors and what they might think, although in my place also, I've actually got roll of shutters and they stay close most of the time. See what everybody else has to say before I chime in. Yes, this is actually something I am very passionate about. I very much like the darkness. When I lived at home, I actually had a makeshift boil cover for my window so that not like a sliver of light could come in. I always have the lights off when I watch a film. I even have my current place. The light sort of sneaks through the curtains, so I've pegged the curtains up so that less light comes through. I will not watch a film with the lights on. I hate it. Need total darkness. I don't even really like watching films during the day because I don't like the little bits of light that sweeping even my kitchen window. Because I live in an apartment where the kitchen window is just kind of blurry but doesn't have curtains. I've got a cardboard box fitting into the slot to prevent any light coming in, because I don't want anything disturbing my dark cave when watch my films. Let us some dedication. Lauren at the dark cave and allergy and the idea of making makeshifts slivers to cover up little bits of light from getting in. I mean, I guess I'd prefer a darkness, but it's not something. I think about it that much and I haven't gone to any great lengths like everyone else to make sure I'm in darkness. Went on was speaking earlier. It did make me wonder if if he puts trailers on before the film, if he puts adverts on such as has desperation to replicate the cinema experience. But yeah, I do like. I do like in a cinema door that there's darkness and I think it does add something to the atmosphere of the film. It's quite difficult, at least in my flat, you know, you can hear noises from other people. It's quite difficult to replicate the cinema experience at home. For an interesting point here, inspired by Adam in the fact that he can hear noises from other people in his flat. Now, the last two properties I've lived in I've been specifically chosen for the fact that I can watch films as loud as I want to about interruptions from my neighbors. I'm not even kidding here. So a previous property was flat. We specifically bought top floor corner fly so that I wouldn't have interruptions from other neighbors above me. I could be kind of as loud as I want with my surround system without having to worry about disturbing it, upsetting people with people too much. And we now live in a house that we bought specifically look for a detached one because, again, I want to be able to play my films as loud as possible without upsetting the neighbors, and they also want to get as little noise interferences from other people as possible. It sounds incredibly sad, but watching films is running my big considerations when they're moving into a property. I'm can I ask one quick question? How much extra would you pay for a place in order to get a good film experience if I had the money? Then add potentially by a place that its own personal cinema. That is the dream, really, isn't it, to have your own kind of cinema in your house? But I don't think that I'll ever happen unless I win the lottery. It's very interesting listening to my co host and then talking about what they do for lightness and darkness that Adam being quite blown away with some of the links that we've gone to. Even actually necessarily put up my roller shots to hit the light out. I mean that's an added benefit. The less noise as another added benefit, but not really the reason why. It keeps the House Cooler. It's good for security terms of what I do with the lights on or off. If I'm watching a horror film, especially something by David...

Cronenberg or one of the screen films, which I really like, I do like to have all the lights off. If I'm watching something outside the horror genre, are usually had a light on, but directly over the TV, because any glare on the TV's incredibly distracting. I don't know, I guess I've grown up. When I was younger watching films the light on, so usually do over light on it. And as it's something where we want to replicate that experience of fear, especially the opening to the one thousand nine hundred and ninety six film, scream she's all alone in the house by herself. That really benefits from being seeing the pitch darkness. Yeah, outside the horror genre would usually actually have a light on, though that understand it doesn't make me quite the film purest or I never retires myself as being okay. Might move on to our next topic then. Got Three more questions left. Here's an interesting one. I know Tom's answer is no. What will hear from our other cohosts also? If you ever watched a movie on your smartphone? will go to Tom just to hear his reaction and then we'll find out if Adam or lauren have yet. We know by now that I've no watched a film on a smartphone and fun it crazy that people would watch films that way. You have seen people when I've been at work in past jobs where they'll watch a film on their phone on the lunch break, just in chunks, you know, half an hour a day, and it just seems crazy to me. It takes away, well, I don't know, but I imagine it takes away from the whole experience. It's not something that I'd want to give a shot because, nearing how I like to watch films into the experience so much, don't think it's this sit well with me. Oh, no surprise there. Time will find out if Lauren has and if she has watched a film on a phone, did she enjoy it? I have never watched a film on my phone. I have heard from people who do because they just think the visuals don't really matter that much. You know to be paying that close attention. So it's fine, which I find a little offensive, but otherwise I'm not really fast how big the screen is that you're watching on. But I think a phone is just always too small, especially like I really small hands and I need to have a small phone and it would just be like pointless. Green size obviously affects how much we can take in of a film and Yoka are produce, as mentioned, also about the screens and aerror planes and watching in flight movies. Be Interesting to hear if Adams got anything to say about that or about watching films on his smartphone. Well, first of all, in terms of the smartphone, I'm on thumb said a hundred percent. I would never ever watch a film in a smartphone, not even TV most of the time. I just think it's a terrible experience. When I got to work on this, when I'm on the tube on the way to work, there's endless people watching films and TV on their smartphone on the tube and I don't understand it. I mean you're on, you're on the journey for like fifteen minutes, half an hour, you're standing up, you know, you have headphones and I think it's an awful way to watch something and I think it is part of the whole Netflix streaming can a generation, although it's not just young people that do it, it's everyone. In terms of watching films on a plane, I mean most of the fights I've got are just to the rest of Europe and they're only a couple of hours, so it's not normally even an option. But I when I have been on like a longer flight, when I went to America, for example, I've tried to watch stuff, but I don't like I don't like watching it at all. I find it, I find it really hard to watch a film on the plane. There's too many distractions. You're under sitting in the same position on the flight for so long, there's people are around you, you're excited about the holiday and staff for your coming home. It's just I think it's a pretty, pretty bad experience overall. I mean it's not as bad as smartphone, but I find it hard to do it as I'm in Australia. Our shortest flight to anywhere is usually about ten to seventeen hours, so I have watched a lot of films on planes, but I really hate the screens and I feel like dizzy and tired, so I usually pick stuff that's a little easier to digest, but usually I'll sleep or I'll read because I find that is easier. Don't actually mine watching films on planes, but I would specifically choose films that don't necessarily benefit from big screen in the full cinematic experience, and maybe you know a low key drama or a comedy, something like that. But I do remember one instance when traveled to Vietnam and I was quite excited about the chance to watch a few films on the plane, but I was incredibly disappointed because all of the film's had Vietnamese subtitles on...

...them and there is no option to switch the subtitles off. And being the film purest that I was, I didn't want to watch a film which I had phone subtitles on the bottom all the way through it. So instead I just talked and tried to sleep for the most of the journey. It's interestingly comes and bit of that. He actually would watch a film on a plane. So maybe it's not quite the film purest that we all thought, although, as he said, put a low key drama or a comedy. And yes, maybe, which is how I feel when I'm doing the dishes, while I'm doing some menial cleaning, my watching a film, something which I know is not going to be absolutely amazing or incredibly visual. Does it really matter to me? The big question, though, whether I've watched it on my smartphone. I don't know if the answers should be of course, but the answer is not. A recent film. I don't think there's any point watching films from let's say, the last eighty years or so on your phone and then you're going to get much out of it. From the mid s onwards films became very visual and you're just going to lose tons of it if you're watching or on your phone. I have from time to time watched a silent film on my phone again, and not a highly visual silent feeling. So I wouldn't be watching a Fritz Lang film or a Murna film. If it's a stay like breezy comedy or light drama and it's a silent film, it's something easy I can do in public if I'm getting a little bit bored and I'm waiting around for something to happen. And, as people know already, I don't mind watching a film in Chunks. It's not something I do often, something which I might do maybe ten or twelve times a year. For my once a month sounds about right. We'll watch a silent film on my mobile phone. Yes, somebody could call me while I'm using the phone to watch a movie. I didn't will automatically pause it because I'm watching it on the youtube APP and it just automatically pauses it. But it could be oh, call me also during the film. Okay, there's tons of possibilities in there. It's not a great habit to get into. But again, if it's a silent film, which I know is in going to be very visual, if the title cards are large enough to read, don't mind watching a silent film my phone. I wouldn't really watch a sound era film on my phone. That just seemed really wrong to me. Doesn't, as silent film, lay so much more on its visuals? You know, it seems contradiction to me that you'd watch a silent film on a smartphone when the whole point of the sound film is almost entirely the visuals. Obviously maybe a so jack seems kind of contradiction. So is it a little bit of a contradiction if it's a late twenty silent film? We still haven't had our podcast on the evolutional silent films. Generally from nineteen twenty four, nineteen twenty five on words films became very visual. They became very artistic. If you think about things like sunrise, the films are Fritz Lang and all the German expressionism. They really came about the mid to late s. A lot of the film from the early S and say one thousand nine hundred and nineteen in a not films that are actually highly visual on the about playing a story and getting a story out there. I don't really find with those films really diminish that much. There was anything where I found that get diminished, I would re watch it anyway. Just one of those things where you're standing around your board, nothing is going on in the ICM forum because it's not busy enough and we need to get more active members. I'll be like, okay, well, maybe there's a silent film out there. That's an official check on. I check movies that I might be able to watch for a little bit to keep myself amused. But no, not a great harbit, not something I do all the time, something I'm not ashamed to admit that I will do from time to time. Getting the intertitles actually isn't usually that tough with the silent film. Obviously they have been done large enough because or designed to be rejected in a cinema. I know the irony watching on your phone. It's mainly if they have like letters or telograms in there that can get a little bit annoying because, especially of the older silent films by a lot on telegrams and letters and so on to move the plot along. But look in general, not something I would guard on my way to do. I'd always prefer to watch on a bigger screen. It's something which the impacts on me too much. Hey, now we've got one of the most interesting questions because I seem forum we've got some challenges that we have going on each month and they're very competitive and people always trying to fit in as many films as they can.

Oh, and which has come up every so often. As the question of and you watch a film on fast forward, can you watch it on one point five speed, on to speed, even on one point two five speed? We Know Adam has, for one film last forwarded a part of it. Obviously Thompson never fast forward a film and his life will gets reaction also, and then we'll find out if Lauren has fast forward any films, if Adam has tried it with any other films, and then I'll give you my take on the subject also. First over to Tom Yeah, I've never fast forwarded a film whilst I'm watching it, although it does kind of take me back to when I was younger, because maybe I have actually leave. You know, when we used to have lots of films on VHS and there was a young viewer, before my film habits really kicked in, I would potentially watch favorite bits of films over and over again. So that would involve either rewinding or fast forward in the VHS to get to a specific place so I could enjoy your since seeing over and over again those that was before my film have it really kind of took off and before becomes obsessed with films as it was. But yeah, can't really say no to that question. Well, that's really interesting time, I thought. When I hear a confession from you, do you remember this time when you fast forward and that? Yes, I think we're not all younger. We all did different things which weren't early on purism. Okay, let's hear from Laura and see if she's tried to fast forward any films. I've only fast forwarded one film, which I think was playtime, or it was one of those films, because I hate all of them, but it was just the last ten minutes or so, because they're quite short films but they feel like they're a lifetime and I just couldn't handle anymore. It's needed it to be done, so I think I two times sped through it and that was the only time. It's just awful. Oh No, I love playtime, love Jacques Tatty, although modern clay is the best of here our for I'm sure, hello films, but you know, absolutely love those films. I can't imagine fast forwarding through them because there's also many different small jokes and different things going on the scenes that you're going to miss if you fast forward it. But it's all right, she said. It was just the one film. So we'll find out from Adam and see if he has got a another film other than Satan's tango that he's tried to fast forward. I don't remember doing it with any other films. But I have to back up Lauren on Jacques Tatty. I've of old the kind of classic directors. I find his films by far the worst and any can of comedy or humor value I've never I've never been able to find it. Oh No, I thought that Tom would be the person tearing his head out here out during the podcast, and it's me, because I just love what Jacques Tat he does in his films and how highly visual they are, or the puns are visual storytelling, especially in Monn Clooney. Got Things like the house windows night and there's one person each window and they go from side to side. Looks like eyeballs moving around the or very cleverly done to the point where I'm not even sure how he manages it to direct them. Yeah, it's a bit of a disappointment to hear, but you know, everybody likes the same stuff. I should say I think I've only seen one of his films, by the way, so just in case my uncle, I think it was, but one film put me off of every other film he ever did, so I can't judge hi properly. But the one film I saw, yeah, I almost vomited during it, which is, coincidentally, going to be our next episode vomit podcast. Okay, Adams, joking, but by the way, guys, we're not really going to do one on vomiting and less clem joins us again because he's the one who gets off and vomiting horror films again. That might be a joke or not. You can have to ask them next time he is on anyway. Getting back to modern clothes, actually is, I think, the best of Tutti's film. So if you didn't like that one, I think you're going to hate the others, so it's probably best you not watching them. Back to me and myself. Have I tried fast forwarding a film? I've tried it. It was very difficult. Actually had to go back and rewatch the scene because I was like I was some people are doing this. Some people are even boasting about it on the forum that they watch all their films and one and a half to speed, and I'm like, let's see what happens. I tried and I'm like, I can't keep track of this conversation. They all talking too fast. All right, actually spent more time watching that film that I tried it on, because that to go back and rewatch that scene against. Oh, not much of a film purest, but fast forwarding is something I, unfortunately I'm not capable of doing. We've got one more question left or my co...

...host and they say've got any other questions of their own, and this is one that was brought up, I think Lauren suggested it before the podcast, is whether you would watch on English language films without subtitles or whether you would watch then with Google translated subtitles, if understand the language, and as usual, will go to Tom First and see what Tom has to say about the subject. I don't think I'd watch films under Eva those conditions, unless there's some kind of strange circumstances where it was perhaps I really obscure horror film without subtitles. No subtitles been created for it and there's not much dialog. Maybe I take a punt on it if that was the only way of watching it. But neither of those ideas really appeal to the film puest in meat or yeah, I like what you say about the only way. And again, yeah or depend how much dialog is really in there. I will go to my other co host first, before I talk about my experiences with watching films without subtiles when I don't speak the language. Lauren, they you to say on the subject. I've never watched a film without any subtitles. That that's not an English but I have watched a few with very poorly translated google subtitles. We only did a few these. This was back in the watching trashy Turkish comedies and stuff like that, and they didn't have any English subs, so we found Turkish ones and translated them to English. And the thing is that their comedies not good comedies, but so much is lost in translation as it is, and then even more as lost in badly translated Google subs. So I don't really have any idea what was going on in those films or things like I don't know, they getting the stomach's ripped out or something. I don't even know what the subtitles on about, but it made no sense. I've never done it since and I wouldn't do it again. It's a very good point. You meant for Lauren, about humor getting lost if the subtitles of poorly translated. I guess in a drama you'd get more of an idea, but if the comedy relies on world play, be very complicated. Yeah, so Lauren and I watched a few Turkish comedies with bad, bad subjectos, but they were films that we weren't particularly interested in the first place. And it's like, Lauren, I would never do it again and I actually feel very, very strongly a boat, you know, watching the films of subtitles. It always amazes me when I see people on the forum or anywhere else telling me, like saying they watched an entire future film without subtitles. I mean one example, I remember someone, someone we used to know, what's the ninety minute Spanish feature film without subtitles. He didn't speak a word of Spanish. I just cannot understand in any way what someone gets out of a film that has lots of dialog, you know, without the subtitles. I even find if it's like a ten minute short without Subtatos, even then I wouldn't want to watch it. So that's actually something I do feel. I do feel strongly about. And also I find it really annoying when you're watching a film with subtitles in the translation is quite bad. Not even Google translate subs, but just substit aren't that haven't been translated that well. Or occasionally you get this kind of weird thing where like the font or the color of the subtitles doesn't work very well with the background of the film. So things like that, I think, have a massive, DIV very negative effect. So Lauren just sent a message saying a bit brighter summer day, and that is the film I was thinking of. Actually, I really have. I think that forms a great film, but the subtitles and the copy I watched would just really, really difficult to read properly. So it does detract quite a lot from films. Thinking about issues with subtitles when watching films reminds me of a bug bear I have with Netflix and also Amazon prime at the moment. They tend to have films on their international films and the only English subtitles available will be close captured subtitles for people who can't hear. So as well as having all of the dialog on the screen, you will have things that tell you about the sounds that happening to it'll say wind rustling through the trees or children singing in the background, and that really frustrates me because, you know, I'm paying for a service, whether it's Amazon prime or Netflix, and I want to watch the film and enjoy it how I how it's intended to be seeing, but having there's actual bits of information the subtitle. It's because, again, it's just something else that can take you out of the moment and take you out of the film. I don't think I've ever watched a feature length film with outside titles. I have watched a few...

...shorts and my time without subtitles, ones that weren't very heavy on language. There's a great film by direct I'm probably going to pronounce his name correctly, Luke lay up, French director, did a film called bars in the early s about people trying to jump bars to get into subways. Also did a really cool film about trying to open up a coke bottle and it's a really funny film. It's actually absolutely hilarious at times how difficult it is to open up the code bottle, and I watched that coke one without subtitles. A little bit of French because I did French and high school for a year and I found I'll still able to get through it. Understood most of what was going on. If a subversion of it popped up with how PEO. We watched it, but I don't mind saying that I saw without subtitles because it wasn't heavy on the dialog. Google translated subtitles. It's an interesting one. It's interesting is there's a lot of films these days when you tube, if the close captions aren't hard coded, it hard code means it's directly on the film. You can get rid of it. If it's something which somebody's added in it, it should will often be the option of auto translating it, and the order translates are actually usually pretty good. As a great film by the Iranian film director Ason MACMA buff film called the cyclist. It was actually the inspiration for Kiarostami's close up, and the cyclist is only available, it was only available on Youtube with either Portuguese or Spanish subtitles. I put it through the order translate and it came out almost perfectly and it was very watchable. So can't imagine sitting there and typing in a hold lot of card coded subtitles to try and translate them, but Youtube's ORT to translate works really well. Also, if it's a silent film that's in Spanish or French, actually know enough Spanish or French that I can watch it with a little bit of Google translate are that's actually been quite interesting because we had that pop up with a couple of the contemporary Spanish silent films that came up and I was able to watch those without subtitles. There are a few words anunderstand up hop them to Google translate most ever, action you have actually got a grasp on Spanish and French. Not Fluent in either language, but I know enough about them that I was able to get through them while only relying a little bit and Google translate. But obviously that's not pure enough for people like Tom. If you, my cohs, want to react any of that and then we'll see a we go from there. So you can find those films with subtitles. I watched them not that long ago. I thought they were okay. They were. They're entertaining enough, but quite repetitive. You know, after you seen the first minute you've basically seen the whole film. I mean the two shorts, the French shorts by the way, in case that's not clear, the Pepsi, the court con or whatever Pepsi. Okay, your thanks for clarifying the Adam because of what you're saying that I'm blank any other I was repetitive and I was going, oh well, you know, maybe I can understand why. Who I might find bars or the coke one a little bit repetitive, but I know I still found them quite funny myself. They were okay. I don't have a problem with them. I like them to some extent. I just wouldn't put them on my list. I like the idea, just didn't think it was particularly amazing. Right. We don't have to include this because it's a little bit off topic, but I was wondering when people check the film. So does anyone ever check the film while they're watching it, for example, because that might go against film purism ideas? I only ever check a film after I've watched it, for issues can come up. I'll be able to watch the whole film, so there's no point jinxing it. I guess I haven't really seen it until I've finished it, so I don't I don't check films until I've seen them. I like the satisfaction of checking it after I've watched it, so I always do it afterwards, unless I know for some reason I'm not going to be able to like I check movies will be down or I have to leave straight away, but generally it's always afterwards. So obviously always afterwards for me as well. I think want to watch it to the end because up until the very end you may not know whether it's due to be a favorite or a dislike, and also because I use other satisfy as I checked movies IMDB and letterbox. I need to have seen the fulfilm to determine what rate and I'm going to give it, which I can't do until the end of the film. It's normally the end for me. I mean I don't normally use the favorite function, but I have occasional check one before the end if it's something I'm not enjoying and I feel like if I check it it will give me some weird kind of motivation just to get through the last twenty minutes or something like that. I think it's been great hearing from everyone about their views on film purism. Quite surprised to know that I'm the most extreme out of a cohost today, but...

...it is good to know that there are certain aspects my film viewing habits that are shared with others, even if they don't necessarily agree with all the extreme lengths I go to when it's sitting down to watch a film. It's Tom I agree or was great this thing to everybody in hearing their views on film purism. Now it's a subject that I've been talking about a bit on and off with Tom over the past few weeks and I was trying to wonder whether it's just to me or whether everybody is trying to be a film purist. So I thought it was good having Adam and Lauren and there for a little bit of halfway in. But between some things a bit more pure, something is a little bit less pure and hopefully by the end of this podcast people listening will be able to make a decision themselves about where they sit on the film pures and spectrum what things they might try. Maybe they'll try watching films with the lights off, if they haven't already. Maybe they'll try watching a film while doing tread nothing, if they haven't already know it's be great if anybody listening and give us feedback on the forum about how you've changed your habits after listening to us? Yeah, I've really enjoyed it too. Maybe was nice to have a range of opinions, you know from Tom's pure purism view tires. And also thanks, soul. I think you've done a great job today. Yeah, I thought it was interesting seeing how differently we all perceive purity, I guess, and the like. None of us all completely match up with how pure we are on each of those different aspects of film watching. So, yeah, it was really interesting listening to all the different perspectives on it. Okay, everybody, thanks for our joining in. I found it a very dynamic discussion today and hopefully our listeners will find it equally as interesting to listen to. You have been listening to talking images, official podcast of I feem Forumcom.

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